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delirious
June 16, 2004, 07:02:37 PM
Retired Diplomats, Military Commanders Fault Bush's Leadership
Administration Unable to Handle Global Leadership, Former Ambassadors, Generals Say

By Peter Slevin
Washington Post
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The Bush administration does not understand the world it faces and is unable to handle "in either style or substance" the responsibilities of global leadership, an eminent group of 27 retired diplomats and military commanders charged today.

"Our security has been weakened," the former ambassadors and four-star commanders said in a statement read at a packed Washington news conference.

"Never in the two and a quarter centuries of our history has the United States been so isolated among the nations, so broadly feared and distrusted."

The statement fit onto a single page, but the sharp public criticism of President Bush was striking, coming from a bipartisan group of respected former officials united in anger about U.S. policy.

The commentary emerges at a time when public doubt about the U.S. invasion of Iraq and Bush's handling of national security has grown and faith in Bush's leadership has fallen, as measured by opinion polls.

State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said the administration "has a record that it's happy to stand on." He said United States fights terrorism with "diplomatic, military, intelligence and law enforcement means."

As for the group of former government officials drafting a strong statement, Boucher said it is "within their rights, within their freedom. Well, it's a free country. They can do that if they want, just like any other citizens. "

Also today, the panel investigating the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks said it found "no credible evidence" that former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein had worked with al Qaeda on the Sept. 11 attacks or any other missions in the United States.

Significant players in the Bush administration have worked to connect Hussein in the public's mind with Sept. 11 and anti-American terrorism, an effort that largely succeeded. As recently as this week, Vice President Cheney said Hussein had "long-established ties" with al Qaeda.

"Why the vice president continues to make that claim beats me. I have no idea," said Phyllis Oakley, a signatory of the anti-Bush statement and a former director of the State Department's intelligence office.

Oakley and the other 26 signatories described Bush administration "manipulation of uncertain intelligence about weapons of mass destruction" and "a cynical campaign to persuade the public that Saddam Hussein was linked to al Qaeda and the attacks of Sept. 11."

The new group, which calls itself Diplomats and Military Commanders for Change, believes Bush must be replaced for the United States to regain credibility and strengthen valuable foreign alliances.

They said they did not coordinate their message with the campaign of Democratic presidential candidate John F. Kerry, but they made clear that they support the Massachusetts senator's quest.

Gen. Merrill A. "Tony" McPeak, former U.S. Air Force chief of staff, said he was the Oregon chairman of Republican Robert J. Dole's presidential campaign in 1996 and joined Veterans for Bush in 2000. Now he is advising Kerry.

"This administration has gone away from me, not vice versa," McPeak told reporters.

A consistent theme of the statement and the news conference at the National Press Club was that the Bush administration has taken steps that have alienated allies and undermined U.S. interests -- ultimately making the world a more dangerous place for Americans.

Noting the arrests without trial of Muslims since Sept. 11 and the abuses at Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq, former U.S. ambassador to Saudi Arabia Chas Freeman criticized a "post 9/11 atmosphere of hysteria."

"I think we will in time come to be very ashamed of this period in history," Freeman said, "and of the role some people in the administration played in setting the tone and setting the rules."

Donald McHenry, former ambassador to the United Nations, answered a question about the effectiveness of U.S. public diplomacy, a special focus of the Bush administration, especially in the Muslim world.

"You can embark on all the public diplomacy you wish, but if there is no substance to the policy, it's very difficult to sell," McHenry said. '

"You can't sell product no matter how extensive your P.R. efforts are if the product is lousy," McHenry continued. "I think that, unfortunately, is the situation in which the United States finds itself in many parts of the world."

The former diplomats and military commanders said the United States suffers from "close identification" with autocratic governments in the Muslim world and "the perception of unquestioning support for the policies and actions of the present Israeli government."

The group called for greater balance.

Among those who signed the statement are Adm. William J. Crowe, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff under Ronald Reagan, and Marine Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, appointed by George H.W. Bush to lead U.S. forces in the Middle East.

The participants include a pair of former ambassadors to the Soviet Union, two former ambassadors to Israel, two former ambassadors to Pakistan and Adm. Stansfield Turner, onetime director of the Central Intelligence Agency.

Bush from the outset "adopted an overbearing approach to America's role in the world, relying on military might and righteousness, insensitive to the concerns of traditional friends and allies, and disdainful of the United Nations," the statement says. "Motivated more by ideology than by reasoned analysis, it struck out on its own."

FM
June 16, 2004, 09:22:51 PM
You can attest these comments in 3 ways:

a) They were fired, etc. from their jobs and are lashing back at their former employers grudge-style.

b) They couldn't talk about this stuff while they had a job, or they would have been fired.

c) Things are being done far differently then they did it...

Galapidate
June 16, 2004, 09:25:45 PM
The comment about alienating allies is absolutely true. What's so shocking is how over the past four years Bush has completely changed foreign policy (that is if we still have one).

Balanc3
June 17, 2004, 12:27:16 AM
You can attest these comments in 3 ways:

a) They were fired, etc. from their jobs and are lashing back at their former employers grudge-style.

b) They couldn't talk about this stuff while they had a job, or they would have been fired.

c) Things are being done far differently then they did it...

absolute truth. shows just how hard egghead liberals are trying to reclaim their seat in the white house. Exactly why Oneill came out with his bashing book, shortly after being fired. :roll:

dalex
June 17, 2004, 11:28:17 PM
do you consider "egghead liberals" an insult?
:lol:

statiklicious
June 18, 2004, 12:12:00 AM
You can call them names all you want, and it will get you nowhere. Alienating your country from the rest of the world in the global forum helps no one. Why is this simple fact so difficult to see for some?

Galapidate
June 18, 2004, 12:27:29 AM
You can call them names all you want, and it will get you nowhere. Alienating your country from the rest of the world in the global forum helps no one. Why is this simple fact so difficult to see for some?

Let me say my infamous quote summing up my country: "Haven't you realized by now that a majority of Americans are stupid?" Seriously, sometimes I think the Bush administration programs all these reality shows to keep Americans in the dark about all these issues...

Balanc3
June 18, 2004, 01:18:30 AM
do you consider "egghead liberals" an insult?
:lol:

nope just a name the gop give em. say all u want about terrorists and iraq being a threat to world peace... one things for sure someone was trying to obtain nuclear capability in Iraq. This was found before the war, in Turkey on its way into Iraq.

*weapons grade uranium
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the link:

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*BOOM

FM
June 18, 2004, 02:56:14 AM
and that's the whole real scope of what's being dealt with; the ability to try and produce the atomic bomb again...

speaking of which whatever happened to North Korea in this whole mess...talk about being swept under the rug.

mylexicon
June 18, 2004, 03:10:48 AM
and that's the whole real scope of what's being dealt with; the ability to try and produce the atomic bomb again...

speaking of which whatever happened to North Korea in this whole mess...talk about being swept under the rug.

I thought Jenks put this to bed a long time ago.......we don't care that much
about North Korea because it is surrounded by China, Russia, South Korea, and Japan

All of them can hold their own, and none of them have absolutely no qualms
about massacring the North Koreans if they start getting to big for their
britches. Everything we do will be covert and out of the global public eye.

delirious
June 18, 2004, 08:59:09 AM
one things for sure someone was trying to obtain nuclear capability in Iraq. This was found before the war, in Turkey on its way into Iraq.
*BOOM


It is not yet clear where the uranium, estimated to be worth $5m on the black market, was being taken, but it is unlikely there would have been a market for it within Turkey.

The Turkish media have been speculating that the alleged smugglers, both Turks, may have planned to take the weapons grade material through Syria and on into Iraq.


Since the collapse of the Soviet bloc, Turkey has been a transit route for smuggled nuclear materials, many of which have found their way onto the black market in Istanbul.

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So the media speculating that the shipment "may have been going to Iraq" makes it a "sure thing" when other shipments have been proven to gone elsewhere? Such logic!

:roll:

skahound
June 18, 2004, 10:14:07 AM
I love the blatant generalizations that a lot of conservatives and right-wingers throw out there:

Liberal = Anti-American...actually it's our nature as a country based on the principle of free speech to question our government. I for one remember clearly when President Clinton decided to go in to Bosnia, the Republicans standing up and taking aim at him. Same goes for when he ordered troops in to Haiti and Somalia.

"Egghead liberals" = "If you don't think like I (we) do, you are an egghead"...what a wonderful fucking world it would be if we all thought the exact same way, huh? Where would the checks-and-balances be?

Some of you people need reality to slap you in the face so you wake up and realize that the world doesn't revolve around you and your political views.

Jenks
March 28, 2007, 07:29:22 PM
I poop in your general direction.

apollo_1444
March 28, 2007, 10:29:25 PM
the thread creator is a fucking piece of shit.

Shpira
March 28, 2007, 11:09:31 PM
America Fuck, Yeah. Comming Again to Save the Motherfucking Wooorld!
USA, USA ...all the way, all the way! YEAH, Fuck Yeah!!!

Shpira
March 28, 2007, 11:12:32 PM
on a more serious note...what are traditionally US govt policies if not neo-liberal?
You should really read upon your political theory before making stupid remarks.
p.s. a lot of the stuff said in the article ==== TRUE

n.b. I wouldn't say a piece of shit...thats too harsh, mis-informed, stupid, but not a piece of shit!

apollo_1444
March 28, 2007, 11:38:45 PM
on a more serious note...what are traditionally US govt policies if not neo-liberal?
You should really read upon your political theory before making stupid remarks.
p.s. a lot of the stuff said in the article ==== TRUE

n.b. I wouldn't say a piece of shit...thats too harsh, mis-informed, stupid, but not a piece of shit!no it isn't

Shpira
March 29, 2007, 12:11:17 AM
Uhm...yes they are...it encourages deregulation of trade. braking down of trade barriers, privatisation...low government intervention...all trade marks of neo-liberalism!
Maybe you would like to re-write the definition?

or you mean not too harsh?