Scooter Libby Found Guilty

[toasty]

Re: Scooter Libby Found Guilty

second question is whether all these pussy ass democrats will be calling for the firing and trial of thier buddy who was indicted for bribery today.....

stupid liberals... the lot of ya.

Uh, among other damning evidence, he was caught with loads of cash in his freezer. Although there's nothing illegal about that, it isn't defensible behavior. So in answer to your question, I'm going with "Yes."

[thesightless]

Re: Scooter Libby Found Guilty

second question is whether all these pussy ass democrats will be calling for the firing and trial of thier buddy who was indicted for bribery today.....

stupid liberals... the lot of ya.

[toasty]

Re: Scooter Libby Found Guilty... and Sentenced

Hopefully Libby won't have to do any time.

Well, he was just sentenced to 30 months and fined $250K.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/06/05/cia.leak.trial/index.html

Question now is whether he'll have to spend the time during his appeal in the pokey. If he can, he might be able to drag it out long enough that he'll be pardoned by Bush regardless of the outcome of the appeal, and might avoid spending any time in the clink.

[Kobe]

Re: Scooter Libby Found Guilty

And Fawn Hall shredded documents which proved Iran-Contra. Previous scandals might make us cynical about current ones, but what they don't do is make them ok.

[toasty]

Re: Scooter Libby Found Guilty

No more cavalier than people were about Bill Clinton lying under similar circumstances.

Hopefully Libby won't have to do any time. I mean.... they let Sandy Burger off the hook for shoving classified documents from the Archives down his pants so he could cover-up the Clinton administration's failure to get Bin Laden. I think this ranks as slightly less severe.

Well, if we're going to start a pissing match over who's lies -- those of the Clinton administration or the Bush administration -- had the worst consequences, this discussion probably isn't going to end well for you. As for me, though, I was equally bothered when Clinton was pulling shit, too. I was actually a card carrying (literally) member of the Republican Party at the time so of course I thought it was wrong, but that notwithstanding, I still think I would have had a problem with it. I take that oath pretty seriously, and perhaps I'm weird that way, but that's the way I am.

[subterFUSE]

Re: Scooter Libby Found Guilty

He was found guilty of lying during an investigation that, at the end of the day, didn't result in indictments. That's why they do investigations rather than just indicting people willy-nilly, and is very different from what you're suggesting.

It amazes me how cavalier people are about excusing this guy for lying to federal prosecutors. He's facing 25 years -- it isn't an insignificant charge.

No more cavalier than people were about Bill Clinton lying under similar circumstances.

Hopefully Libby won't have to do any time. I mean.... they let Sandy Burger off the hook for shoving classified documents from the Archives down his pants so he could cover-up the Clinton administration's failure to get Bin Laden. I think this ranks as slightly less severe.

[toasty]

Re: Scooter Libby Found Guilty

did the same thing not happen in the Martha Stewart case?

Yep, and she went to jail, as she should have. What's the point?

anyways, Libby's 'obstruction' did what? it prevented Fitzgerald from finding out whether the 'alleged' leak violated federal law? Emphasis on 'alleged'.

Aren't you planning on going to law school? Lack of concern for the truth + law license = the potential to get yourself in a load of shit. Courts take it very seriously when you aren't forthright with them. Seriously, discussing politics is one thing, but when you start suggesting that it's OK to lie to a judge, a grand jury, or a prosecutor and you're soon to be a lawyer, you're in dangerous territory.

There's a guy I went to law school with that had his bar admission rejected for fudging some things on his resume when looking for summer legal jobs. He got his degree, but he'll never get his license or practice law -- put another way, he was effectively disbarred before he even started practice. That's fucked up. It happens, though -- in all seriousness, I do hope that when you're not arguing politics, you display a healthy disapproval for liars. Tolerating that shit makes the whole profession -- of which you will soon be a member -- look bad...

[thesightless]

Re: Scooter Libby Found Guilty

who
the
fuck
cares
the
guy
is
guilty
hopefully
going
to
jail
can
we
move
on
to
more
important
shit
this
is
so
stupid
it
just
keeps
dragging
on
let
him
rot
awhile
and
let
GW2
focus
on
fixing
shit
please
its
worse
than
when
black
people
harping
on
slavery
its
over
let
it
go
and
work
on
something
else

[88Mariner]

Re: Scooter Libby Found Guilty

did the same thing not happen in the Martha Stewart case?

anyways, Libby's 'obstruction' did what? it prevented Fitzgerald from finding out whether the 'alleged' leak violated federal law? Emphasis on 'alleged'.

the concept of 'thoughtcrime' keeps popping up into my head....

[toasty]

Re: Scooter Libby Found Guilty

Libby was convicted of lying during the course of an investigation of a crime that prosecutors could never prove was actually committed. All of us ought to find that troubling.

He was found guilty of lying during an investigation that, at the end of the day, didn't result in indictments. That's why they do investigations rather than just indicting people willy-nilly, and is very different from what you're suggesting.

It amazes me how cavalier people are about excusing this guy for lying to federal prosecutors. He's facing 25 years -- it isn't an insignificant charge.

[toasty]

Re: Scooter Libby Found Guilty

Actually.... there wasn't any need for a "fall guy" because no laws were ever broken. Valerie Plame was not actually an undercover agent at the time of her supposed "outing".

This is a common talking point from the administration apologists, but I have yet to hear anyone actually back this up with anything concrete. Point me to something other than anecdotal evidence of this and maybe we can talk, but Fitzgerald doesn't strike me as the type of go on a witch hunt, and whether or not she was covert is such a simple question to answer, it is inconceivable to think that he would go forward with an investigation without figuring that out first. The investigation was into whether she was knowingly outed, not whether she was actually covert.

[88Mariner]

Re: Scooter Libby Found Guilty

Libby was convicted of lying during the course of an investigation of a crime that prosecutors could never prove was actually committed. All of us ought to find that troubling.

[Kobe]

Re: Scooter Libby Found Guilty

No need? They why lie? Obviously they have something they want to cover up.

[subterFUSE]

Re: Scooter Libby Found Guilty

That's why they have shills like Libby around, amazing how calculating they are in their duplicity. Scooter now gets his pic on the wall at the Ollie North Fall Guy Hall of Fame. Good Americans who took a dick up the ass to save a crook.

Actually.... there wasn't any need for a "fall guy" because no laws were ever broken. Valerie Plame was not actually an undercover agent at the time of her supposed "outing". Fitzgerald was informed of this, and that's why he focused on Libby. There was no chance of there ever being a serious conviction of anyone for outing her.... because she wasn't in a position where being "outed" was a crime in the first place.

[rubyraks]

Re: Scooter Libby Found Guilty

I threw that one out there again just for you...glad you caught it.