Any guesses who will win the election?

[toasty]

Bush didn't lie about WMD, all the evidence pointed to Saddam having WMD, and Congress agreed with him. Did Kerry lie by voting for the War in Iraq?? He had just as much say as Bush did being a congress representitive.

ALL the evidence pointed to Saddam having WMDs? Have you seen the Senate Commission's findings on this? This isn't even close to correct -- there was loads of contrary evidence. It was just ignored.

Further, the suggestion that any member of congress has the same authority as the commander-in-chief with regard to the decision to actually go to war is, I think, a little naive.

This whole Iraq thing, and the obvious revisionist history that is being created by the Bush adminstration to justify going in there, leaves me with no trust in anything Bush says:

"We're going to Iraq to disarm Saddam of his stash of WMDs!"
"We went to Iraq because of his ties to Al Qaeda."
"Uh, we went to Iraq because Saddam needed to go..."

Anyone other than me think that Bush had every intention of going to Iraq from the moment he was elected, and was just looking for an excuse?

[LobsterClan]

Re: Any guesses who will win the election?

Hello? Why would anyone trust George Bush on national security? The worst national disaster in our history happened under his leadership, just a few short weeks after he had taken the first of many month-long vacations.

Bill Maher said it best on his HBO show:

"And finally, New Rule: You can't run on a mistake. Franklin Roosevelt didn't run for re-election claiming Pearl Harbor was his finest hour. Abe Lincoln was a great president, but the high point of his second term wasn't theater security. 9/11 wasn't a triumph of the human spirit. It was a fuck-up by a guy on vacation.

Now, don't get me wrong, Mr. President. I'm not blaming you for 9/11. We have blue-ribbon commissions to do that. And I'm not saying there was anything improper about your immediate response to the attacks. Someone had to stay in that classroom and protect those kids from Chechen rebels.

But by the looks of your convention, you'd think that the worst thing that ever happened to us was the best thing that ever happened to you. You just can't keep celebrating the deadliest attack ever as if it's your personal rendezvous with greatness. You don't see old men who were shot down during World War II jumping out of a plane every year. I mean, other than your dad.

But even your dad didn't run for re-election based on a recession and his propensity to barf on the Japanese. Now, I know you'd like us all to get swept away with emotionalism and stop sweating the small stuff like the deficit and the environment, and focus on what's really important: how you look in a fireman's hat. But crying during your speech? I mean, come on! There's no crying in politics! It's not fair! That's a trick chicks use. How are we supposed to discuss this rationally if you're going to cry?! There's a name for people who exploit their participation in historical events for political gain. They're called the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

So I say, if you absolutely must win an election on the backs of dead people, do it like they do in Chicago, and have them actually vote for you."

[toasty]

^^ I assume that means 90% of "coalition forces," which does sound about right, from what I've heard...

[Civic_Zen]

The president, because "he has balls" has gone and put the US in more danger by rushing into a war that over 90% of the cost and human life lost has been US.

And shite. I didn't even notice this ballocks. Your saying 90% of the lives lost in Iraq were allied, or just American lives?? Either way I can guarentee your stats are WAYYYYY off. I don't even have to look the numbers up, but it would probably be even more the other way around. Like 5% of the lives lost were American. Where the hell do you get off??

[suave]

iono, all depends on the debates, in which i expect bush to shaft the hell out of kerry. what a sad world we live in. -_-

[Civic_Zen]

Although you may trust Bush, I am not sure "people" do, as in the majority of people. Why trust someone who lied about WMD. Someone who has lied and mislead this country in a war against Iraq consistently.

Bush didn't lie about WMD, all the evidence pointed to Saddam having WMD, and Congress agreed with him. Did Kerry lie by voting for the War in Iraq?? He had just as much say as Bush did being a congress representitive. Get your facts strait. Kerry voted to go to war for the same reasons, because he thought they had WMD too. He had the exact same information Bush did, with the exception (maybe) of what Vladimir told Bush. Which would have been more reason for us to go to war. And no I don't think Bush should have told America about what Vladimir said, because that could have put Russia in a very awkward position had we not gone to war. This scenerio was probably a contingency of Vladimir relaying the information any way, and rightfully so..

Regardless, I think Phantom is right, even the democrat's look at Kerry and wonder. Was this really our best nominee?? Bush will most likely win, although I could in all reality care less either way.

[toasty]

Re: Any guesses who will win the election?

With all due respect, there is no way in hell that Kerry will win this election...it is being called by some democrats even, the worst campaign strategy ever in history. It takes 2 to tango and 3 to become vindictive. Even is own party doesnt believe a word he says, in general mind you. He will surely loose the electoral vote, and Bush has had some massive developments in the battleground states in recent weeks. People will be voting in November for homeland security first and foremost. Job Growth, health care, etc is not relative if we have another large scale attack. Bush will win with ease because he has balls and people trust him to defend the country, period.

Maybe, but history doesn't support what you're saying. If you look at incumbents that have been elected to a second term, all of them had much bigger leads at this point in the race; obviously, Bush is ahead in most polls which is good for him, but that lead has slipped some since the RNC and is back within the margin of error in most polls, and Bush is not where he needs to be, if history is any guide. Undecided voters tend to swing away from the incumbent when it comes time to vote, which is why he needs a larger lead than he has to feel comfortable.

Of course, there are very few undecided voters this time around, and we are in a unique election cycle by any standard, so who knows if history can be trusted in this situation. I do think it is fair to say, though, that we've got a long ways to go, and it is far too early to be predicting landslides.

[bren]

People will be voting in November for homeland security first and foremost. Job Growth, health care, etc is not relative if we have another large scale attack. Bush will win with ease because he has balls and people trust him to defend the country, period.

First, you seem to suggest that Bush would loose if the country was voting on issues other then security. I believe you will find a decent number of people who are voting on this issue, although I agree it will not be the largest portion.

Although you may trust Bush, I am not sure "people" do, as in the majority of people. Why trust someone who lied about WMD. Someone who has lied and mislead this country in a war against Iraq consistently.

And there is very little evidence, aside from Fox news lies, that we are any more secure then we were before the war started. The president, because "he has balls" has gone and put the US in more danger by rushing into a war that over 90% of the cost and human life lost has been US. On top of that we are busy pushing away many countries that could be helping us. Now we have so much force commited that it is hard to imagine our response to a new crisis would be very good.

[bren]

Re: Any guesses who will win the election?

It is not easy to guess, but I can hope Karry will win. Right now most polls are too close to be able to tell. This is a very interesting site that shows what the polls are currently saying.

http://www.electoral-vote.com/

Lots of interesting information there to read as well

[PhAntoM MeNaCe]

Re: Any guesses who will win the election?

My guess is still Kerry even though the polls now say Bush will win.

With all due respect, there is no way in hell that Kerry will win this election...it is being called by some democrats even, the worst campaign strategy ever in history. It takes 2 to tango and 3 to become vindictive. Even is own party doesnt believe a word he says, in general mind you. He will surely loose the electoral vote, and Bush has had some massive developments in the battleground states in recent weeks. People will be voting in November for homeland security first and foremost. Job Growth, health care, etc is not relative if we have another large scale attack. Bush will win with ease because he has balls and people trust him to defend the country, period.

[kyyoon]

My guess is still Kerry even though the polls now say Bush will win.