this is not the man................................ i knew for 20 years

[shosh]

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shosh, you are hurting your own cause here. every politician has shady friends. yes, obama has some seriously shady people in that they were the actual acting parties in some bad stuff, but mccain's supporters are just as bad/even worse in that they were involved in plannign much larger bad events.

much larger bad events than a terrorist plot against your own country?

[thesightless]

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shosh, you are hurting your own cause here. every politician has shady friends. yes, obama has some seriously shady people in that they were the actual acting parties in some bad stuff, but mccain's supporters are just as bad/even worse in that they were involved in plannign much larger bad events.

[shosh]

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Exactly. I don't go trying to dig up stuff on McCain, even though I'm sure it exists, because that's not what important. So this stuff on Obama's past just doesn't hit home.

I am being honest, though, that when I say I have an open mind about this stuff. Let's see some facts.

give me a few to go through my bookmarks

[sammwalk]

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no i just decided to stop writing because of the blindness here. if you still dont know about obama, his ties, influences, etc and choose to think "who cares if he always hangs out with this guy, are in the same projects, are close friends" than im wasting time

Okay, so how can you then ignore the people that McCain is in bed with, as previously posted? I'm willing to concede, for the sake of argument, that Barry had some dirty dealings (though I don't believe it). But you can't be okay with one side's "criminal ties" and not okay with the other.

[sammwalk]

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doubtful. I would bet you anything that shosh had never heard of Bill Ayers and had no idea that a former member of the Weather Underground was currently a professor at the University of Illinois Chicago before this election, but it's now the biggest deal in the world to him because he's tangentially related to the Democratic nominee. Makes no difference if you could play the same game with McCain -- not that we would, because it's just plain silly...

Exactly. I don't go trying to dig up stuff on McCain, even though I'm sure it exists, because that's not what important. So this stuff on Obama's past just doesn't hit home.

I am being honest, though, that when I say I have an open mind about this stuff. Let's see some facts.

[shosh]

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So are you giving up on your point here and saying that both Democrats and Republicans, like most Americans, know somebody who knows some bad people?

no i just decided to stop writing because of the blindness here. if you still dont know about obama, his ties, influences, etc and choose to think "who cares if he always hangs out with this guy, are in the same projects, are close friends" than im wasting time

doubtful. I would bet you anything that shosh had never heard of Bill Ayers and had no idea that a former member of the Weather Underground was currently a professor at the University of Illinois Chicago before this election, but it's now the biggest deal in the world to him because he's tangentially related to the Democratic nominee. Makes no difference if you could play the same game with McCain -- not that we would, because it's just plain silly...

then you would lose that bet. my wife's family is from just outside chicago so I've known about him for a very long time...
and yes its a big deal that he hangs out with obama, he should be in jail. he was a terrorist ffs and feels no remorse?

[toasty]

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So are you giving up on your point here and saying that both Democrats and Republicans, like most Americans, know somebody who knows some bad people?

doubtful. I would bet you anything that shosh had never heard of Bill Ayers and had no idea that a former member of the Weather Underground was currently a professor at the University of Illinois Chicago before this election, but it's now the biggest deal in the world to him because he's tangentially related to the Democratic nominee. Makes no difference if you could play the same game with McCain -- not that we would, because it's just plain silly...

[sammwalk]

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lol ok bro

So are you giving up on your point here and saying that both Democrats and Republicans, like most Americans, know somebody who knows some bad people?

[toasty]

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all of those republicans that have been involved in sex scandals are not friends of mccains, i mean, theyre all republicans, theyve must of met??

Bruce Barclay
Matthey Elliot
Vitto Fossella
Robert Mckee
Daniel Thompson

You forgot Bob Allen, McCain's Florida campaign co-chair who was convicted of solicitation of prostitution with a male prostitute.

[shosh]

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wll being that every other dem politician who has been in deep shit, just by being of the same political party is asociated with obama, wouldnt that apply to mccain?

all of those republicans that have been involved in sex scandals are not friends of mccains, i mean, theyre all republicans, theyve must of met??

Bruce Barclay
Matthey Elliot
Vitto Fossella
Robert Mckee
Daniel Thompson


now, if you point out any politician in america they all are or have been asociated with someone shady in their past, now, that doesnt mean that just because you know a fucking racist, that makes you a racist, no my friend, life doesnt work that way.

lol ok bro

[Cj Tari]

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wll being that every other dem politician who has been in deep shit, just by being of the same political party is asociated with obama, wouldnt that apply to mccain?

all of those republicans that have been involved in sex scandals are not friends of mccains, i mean, theyre all republicans, theyve must of met??

Bruce Barclay
Matthey Elliot
Vitto Fossella
Robert Mckee
Daniel Thompson


now, if you point out any politician in america they all are or have been asociated with someone shady in their past, now, that doesnt mean that just because you know a fucking racist, that makes you a racist, no my friend, life doesnt work that way.

[sammwalk]

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four? dude there are way more than that tied in with obama

Who? Drag 'em out. I'm an open minded person. If you can prove to me that Obama is a "crook" then I'll change my mind. Show me your facts.

[sammwalk]

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whoa, now. Settle down, McCarthy. McCain's no angel. Keating 5/S&L scandal:

http://www.slate.com/id/1004633/

McCain (understandably): "I hated the gooks. I will hate them as long as I live."

McCain's lobbyists have ties to "regimes accused of serious human rights violations":

http://www.nysun.com/national/saudi-lobbyist-quits-mccain-campaign/76595/

[shosh]

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Good point. One or two is completely OK, but three or four? Yep, twice as many. Sweet mother of pearl.

Former co-chair of McCain's AZ campaign Rep. Rick Renzi (indicted on extortion, wire fraud, money laundering, etc.) springs immediately to mind, by the way.

The Bill Ayers thing is really pathetic, by the way. The guy admittedly has some pretty unsavory shit in his very distant past, but he is currently a professor at a major state University. I realize that folks in the current incarnation of the GOP view people in academia as the equivalent of terrorists, but the rest of us know that's silly. And don't give me this, "but he said we didn't do enough on 9/11" bullshit either, because we've already know that's incredibly misleading and paints an inaccurate picture of what he said and when he said it.

four? dude there are way more than that tied in with obama

ayers: that motherfucker should be in prison but is not because of a technicality. he should not be teaching at a university. just because he is, doesnt make him a better person. he also said this: "I’ve thought about this a lot. Being almost 60, it’s impossible to not have lots and lots of regrets about lots and lots of things, but the question of did we do something that was horrendous, awful? ... I don’t think so. I think what we did was to respond to a situation that was unconscionable."

[toasty]

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really? you could name such close friends of mccain or other candidates who have strong criminal past, are so racist, and also known terrorists (I would add also supporters of communism too)? It's not that there is just one guy or two, but this many?

Good point. One or two is completely OK, but three or four? Yep, twice as many. Sweet mother of pearl.

Former co-chair of McCain's AZ campaign Rep. Rick Renzi (indicted on extortion, wire fraud, money laundering, etc.) springs immediately to mind, by the way.

The Bill Ayers thing is really pathetic, by the way. The guy admittedly has some pretty unsavory shit in his very distant past, but he is currently a professor at a major state University. I realize that folks in the current incarnation of the GOP view people in academia as the equivalent of terrorists, but the rest of us know that's silly. And don't give me this, "but he said we didn't do enough on 9/11" bullshit either, because we've already know that's incredibly misleading and paints an inaccurate picture of what he said and when he said it.