The Obama Impeachment

[clintlove]

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The big difference between Obama and any of the Republican candidates, is that he is trying to change the country where they are trying to make it work the way it has been since the beginning. Sure there are ups and downs for any and all governments, but his "hope and change" style is too radical for me.

[floridaorange]

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Well hope is something all presidents try to inspire into voters. And change is inevitable. Obama didn't come up with either slogan, 25 year old political strategists did. With the speed at which all things are changing nowadays, whoever is president is going to bear the brunt of perceived responsibility. But Obama isn't perfect by anyones standards. There are plenty of people who think he hasn't done anywhere near enough for the middle class and lower class. Overhauling healthcare has to happen, it's a broken system. That's going to continue to occur as the boomers get older, period.

[vinnie97]

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Overhauling it by breaking it further and commandeering an unconstitutional piece of legislation into the law (that has to be passed before it can be read and which has doubled in projected costs already) is not how to fix it, period. I know some have a problem with words like unsustainable,but here it is:

http://m.cbsnews.com/fullstory.rbml?...3&videofeed=39 (debt climbs to $20 trillion under your hero's "leadership")

Hope and change is nothing but a hollow campaign slogan that isn't even being used by the campaign today (which alone should tell you something), and before someone latches onto the idea of "change", one needs to ask what kind of change before blindly voting for a radical again.

And sorry, but fuel prices have never escalated this quickly at such an early time of the year. Supply constraints might be part of the problem, but the unspoken part is the diminishing value of the dollar. You don't help the middle or lower class by actively taking on spending policies that reduce its value.

[res0nat0r]

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^you know the last 100, no 1000 posts you've made are the perfect example of why the usa keeps getting further and further into debt and won't ever really change our lazy ass entitled ways and ever get out of debt. good job.

[clintlove]

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[res0nat0r]

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^

Like I said, I'm not sure why everyone is blaming everything on Black Jesus, or the lack of walking on water....does everyone really think good olde' Mitt or some White Jesus Repub can magically change the course of the USA in 4. More. Years?

The problem is us Americanos as a whole are retards and expect results in 90 days and don't know jack and or shit how many different big corp interests are involved in blocking anything getting moved forward in the US system.

[vinnie97]

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Hey, this is the kind of "change" that your hero Piven envisions where she lumps the commies and the anarchists with your Democrat buddies and attempts to define the Occupy movement:

http://conservativebyte.com/2012/03/democrats-socialists-and-communistswe-are-all-together-piven-draws-chilling-connections/

Her thoughts are summed up thusly:

•The Occupy Movement is made up of “All parts of the Left.”
•That includes proudly: “Democrats, Socialists, Communists, Anarchists.”
•Must all work together because of the “Huge task of transforming America and the world.”
•“We are all together”

More utopian BS where those with money are supposed to be overcome with guilt at their success and give it all up for the cause. Her premise puts the misfits (versus the ones who are airing legitimate grievances who I am sure Pivens counts as more useful idiots) on a crash-course with history. Buckle up.

[Illuminate]

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Obamas Economics:

[dre4]

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I really don't understand why libs have such a problem with basic math. O'Commie's projected deficit at the end of a 2nd term is at $20 trillion. That's assuming the healthcare act is kept afloat and doesn't suddenly double in costs again (as it did just last month according to the CBO).

CBO cuts cost estimate for Obama healthcare law http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...8EDJ0I20120314 http://www.cbo.gov/publication/43058

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/mar/21/ted-cruz/ted-cruz-says-health-reforms-price-tag-has-doubled/

Just two policies dating from the Bush Administration — tax cuts and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan — accounted for over $500 billion of the deficit in 2009 and will account for $7 trillion in deficits in 2009 through 2019, including the associated debt-service costs. [7] By 2019, we estimate that these two policies will account for almost half — nearly $10 trillion — of the $20 trillion in debt that will be owed under current policies.[8] (The Medicare prescription drug benefit enacted in 2003 also will substantially increase deficits and debt, but we are unable to quantify these impacts due to data limitations.) These impacts easily dwarf the stimulus and financial rescues, which will account for less than $2 trillion (less than 10 percent) of the debt at that time. Furthermore, unlike those temporary costs, these inherited policies (especially the tax cuts and the drug benefit) do not fade away as the economy recovers.

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3490

iraq War cost Estimates at the low end

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/new-economy/2011/1025/Iraq-war-will-cost-more-than-World-War-II

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Report-Iraq-Afghanistan-Wars-Cost-US-Nearly-4-Trillion-124716249.html

http://blogs.wsj.com/marketbeat/2011/06/30/wars-to-leave-4-trillion-hole-in-us-budget-study/

half of Federal Spending goes to military

http://www.warresisters.org/files/FY2011piechart.pdf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kFeduoDWKj4

[floridaorange]

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^ (sarcasm) Yah but Bush's mistakes are no longer excuses for our countries current debt situation. It's Obama's job to have fixed our budget by now and not touch healthcare either, that's nazi germany socialist stuff.

[vinnie97]

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Reuters plays loose with the facts. In the comment at the bottom of that misleading article is:

Facts : The CBO also added another year to its overall cost estimate for the insurance provisions, extending it out to 2022, for an 11-year net cost of $1.252 billion.

Before the revenue and tax effects, the gross cost for that period hits a new high: $1.762 trillion.

Who to believe, who to believe...definitely not the media that is in the tank for this administration.

[res0nat0r]

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^Foxnews is in the tank for Obama?

[vinnie97]

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Iraq War was also a bipartisan (whether anyone agrees with the justification for the war) effort given that both hideous parties in Congress voted to approve it, so lumping it in with the insurance company slavery bill isn't really telling the whole story.

[dre4]

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it's not an excuse at all. but what's done is done and that money that was spent on iraq will forever be gone and will be costing us for many years to come. nothing can be done about that

[dre4]

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this is true, but congress was lied to both republicans and democrats. here's the vote breakdown

United States House of Representatives
Party Ayes Nays PRES No Vote
Republican 215 6 0 2
Democratic 82 126 0 1
Independent 0 1 0 0
TOTALS 297 133 0 3

United States Senate
Party Ayes Nays No Vote
Republican 48 1 0
Democratic 29 21 0
Independent 0 1 0
TOTALS 77 23 0