Shutdown 2013!

[CircleGuy]

Re: Shutdown 2013!

i'm aware they don't read bills which is exactly my point. it shouldn't be that way. maybe i'm mistaken but isn't it their job to be versed with what they're voting on?

[res0nat0r]

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i'm aware they don't read bills which is exactly my point. it shouldn't be that way. maybe i'm mistaken but isn't it their job to be versed with what they're voting on?

They are versed in what they are voting on. Not reading every page of legislation they vote on != they are not versed. It has always functioned this way and somehow implying the ACA somehow "snuck" thru because everyone was asleep at the wheel is just stupid.

[CircleGuy]

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lol it's obvious you can't consider another person's view point. i get it. resonator 1, circleup 0

[res0nat0r]

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I can see other peoples viewpoint, but if you are stating that every senator who voted for the ACA somehow had no idea what they were voting on, then that is so ridiculous that I can't argue with it because it is just too silly to be true...

[CircleGuy]

Re: Shutdown 2013!

umm...

Rand Paul puts forward measure that would force the Senate to read bills - The Hill's Floor Action
Do Congressmen Read The Bills They Vote On? | The Faster Times

you might remember this gem: Pelosi: - YouTube

[res0nat0r]

They don't need to personally read 600 page bills to understand them. That is what they have advisors for. Those people who actually understand the ins and outs and technicalities of the laws that come across their desks. It would make sense for someone who is versed in the industry a bill is affecting to advise on what it involves, rather than a senator who has no idea of the technicalities yes? Also the "pass to know whats in it" quote is idiotic. Thanks Fox. She means you aren't going to know how a bill works entirely in the real world, until the bill is passed and its effects can be measured in the real world.

[Highsteppa]

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double post

[Highsteppa]

Re: Shutdown 2013!

John Boehner is a fucking twat - dude's trying to save his job before doing his goddam duty and was actually going along with violating the Constitution that he claims to serve. Never have I seen such spinelessness and clueless behavior in being able to try to get shit back on track - one minute he says that he never wanted the shutdown, but says that restarting the government is considered "surrendering". Astonishing that he'll capitulate to 20 fucktards that think that the U.S. defaulting won't have any consequences. He's a goddam business owner, ask him how many times he didn't pay his bills when he was running his shit.

And Ted Cruz - I thought Rick Santorum had some crazy shit to say, but after watching him try to dodge answering any questions about what specific alternative does he bring to the table if Obamacare is the horror it claims to be - what a snake oil salesman. The guy got called out for quoting someone that the author himself said was taken out of context by Cruz on Crossfire. Amazing that someone can make Newt Gingrich seem somewhat rational lately.

Sorry to hear of your government woes guys. I'm pissed to see a small group of people causing such a huge problem.

[Rawrmune]

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The government is acting like children. Just because they can't agree with each other, they let the government shutdown. It's ridiculous. If they can't do their job, what are we paying them for?

[floridaorange]

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If you are anti-gov't, than having it fail is a good thing, because it discredits it. At the end of the day, the shutdown serves the purpose of the more extreme Repubs who unfortunately are controlling the rest of the repubs.

[res0nat0r]

Re: Shutdown 2013!

^^ +1

[Highsteppa]

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Watching Rand Paul on State of the Union this morning just shows how much in disarray the Republican party is - wasn't that long ago that he was suggesting that the default means nothing to reversing his position.

And to suggest that it's the other party that's caused this is him trying to save his own skin.

At least his dad had the integrity to stand up and re-iterate what he stood for. Rand Paul is no better than the speaker of the house.

[floridaorange]

Re: Shutdown 2013!

well

[vinnie97]

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Just imagine, simply apply an equal delay of the individual mandate that was provided to businesses, and this could have been avoided. Now some of the idiots (Dems) who railed against this are trying to save face by crying for a delay, and the so-called President today revealed that his buffoonery is greater than that of Bush II.

[vinnie97]

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If you are anti-gov't, than having it fail is a good thing, because it discredits it. At the end of the day, the shutdown serves the purpose of the more extreme Repubs who unfortunately are controlling the rest of the repubs.

When it can't even stand on its own weight, maybe it's time to reconsider who's extreme and who isn't.