Shapoopie has just hit the fan in Iraq

[hambino21]

Re: Shit has just hit the fan in Iraq

oops i did it backwards, it's been a long day. my bad^^^^^^^^^

[hambino21]

Re: Shit has just hit the fan in Iraq

I totally understand what you're saying. But what if this raid actually uncovered files or records( like the article mentioned) of talks that would incriminate Iran when it comes to the nuke development issue, or maybe plans for other types of attacks.( now I know any government with sense would keep that shite underwraps but who knows) I know I'm sounding like an idealist ,but when you serve this country you kinda have to think like that, as a way of self motivation, if you know what I'm trying to say. And to your other statement about trying to get Iran to talk deals or whatever, knowing the little bit I know about amadenijad or however you spell it, Idon't think he will ever come to the table to talk, I think this is like a big f'n game to him and he'll play forever. I don't know thats just how I feel.

Maybe because we've already had two world wars and a couple of bloody conflicts (Balkan eg.) on our asses overhere. That's why we tend to try to solve things on a diplomatic level. Or at least think twice before we start bombing... Not attacking the US here, just pointing out the difference in perception.

True, but if there wasn't any oil, there wouldn't be any US troops getting shot there either...

A few reasons why it's the worst idea ever at this point:
1. It's only a consulate, no military structure. Even if you would bomb it flat, it doesn't affect Iran's striking capability.
2. Up until now Iran is involved behind the curtains. Attacking a consulate (which still is Iranian sovereign territory, just like the US embassy in Brussels is US soil) will force Iran to react (hit back?) openly. The last thing we need is Iranian troops crossing the border.
3. How is the US going to talk to Iran now about their nuclear program?
4. Same thing for the Palestinian conflict.

What the hell was the point of the attack anyway? Making a statement? Is that all? Not really the smartest way to do it if you ask me...

Americans aren't stupid, their president and the people around him just lack long term vision and realism... or their aim is in fact chaos in the region, which is even worse...

[KinKyJ]

Re: Shit has just hit the fan in Iraq

no big deal. still in Iraq. You Euro's freak out easily.

Maybe because we've already had two world wars and a couple of bloody conflicts (Balkan eg.) on our asses overhere. That's why we tend to try to solve things on a diplomatic level. Or at least think twice before we start bombing... Not attacking the US here, just pointing out the difference in perception.

well, lets see, they have been fighting and killing everything in site for 1500 years... im gonna go with "not anytime soon" followed by "becuase they are simply too stupid"

True, but if there wasn't any oil, there wouldn't be any US troops getting shot there either...

I'm not saying the reason's we went into Iraq were correct or valid, But raiding a consulate or whatever it was, for info from a country who has threatened us and our allies(IRAN) I think thats valid.

A few reasons why it's the worst idea ever at this point:
1. It's only a consulate, no military structure. Even if you would bomb it flat, it doesn't affect Iran's striking capability.
2. Up until now Iran is involved behind the curtains. Attacking a consulate (which still is Iranian sovereign territory, just like the US embassy in Brussels is US soil) will force Iran to react (hit back?) openly. The last thing we need is Iranian troops crossing the border.
3. How is the US going to talk to Iran now about their nuclear program?
4. Same thing for the Palestinian conflict.

What the hell was the point of the attack anyway? Making a statement? Is that all? Not really the smartest way to do it if you ask me...

Americans aren't stupid, their president and the people around him just lack long term vision and realism... or their aim is in fact chaos in the region, which is even worse...

[hambino21]

Re: Shit has just hit the fan in Iraq

^^^ first of all you have no business sticking your nose over there ( i mean the us )
second of all .. this can only get worse

I'm not saying the reason's we went into Iraq were correct or valid, But raiding a consulate or whatever it was, for info from a country(IRAN) who has threatened us and our allies I think thats valid. I don't like the thought of being sent to Iraq for the orginal causes any more than you do, but to prevent a 10 fold sept 11from happenening I'm all down for it. I've got a lot of friends over there and if they are going to be there I'm sure they'd rather be accomplishing something then being sitting ducks for these pussy ass suicide bombers and IED's. If and when (most likely when) I get sent over there I would feel the same way.

And for your comment earlier about(... not all of you americans are stupid ) Nice!

[rubyraks]

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Man, I remember waking up the Wednesday after the election and just being numb. I blame John Kerry for being unable to beat that clown. Folks have wised up now, but fat lot of good it does us...

that truly was the worst hangover I'd ever had in my life...

[Lorn]

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Man, I remember waking up the Wednesday after the election and just being numb. I blame John Kerry for being unable to beat that clown. Folks have wised up now, but fat lot of good it does us...

Its the voters not the candidates.

[toasty]

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Yeah we have got the worst president in history...and the biggest thing I can't get is that he got voted in a second term. Limey bastard.

Man, I remember waking up the Wednesday after the election and just being numb. I blame John Kerry for being unable to beat that clown. Folks have wised up now, but fat lot of good it does us...

[jeffrey collins]

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We americans are pretty stupid you know.

Speak for yourself...please.

Yeah we have got the worst president in history...and the biggest thing I can't get is that he got voted in a second term. Limey bastard.

[BureOne]

Re: Shit has just hit the fan in Iraq

They will make sure you pass the physical

[asdf_admin]

Re: Shit has just hit the fan in Iraq

USA-IRAQ New Plan.

TROOP LEVELS

The US government is committing 21,500 extra troops to Iraq.
Most of them will be deployed in the capital, Baghdad, eventually doubling US presence there. The first brigade will be sent on 15 January, the next on 15 February and additional brigades will be deployed every 30 says to reach the total of five.
The 17,500 troops in Baghdad will act in support of Iraqi troops and have the authority to clear and secure any neighbourhood
Four thousand marines are to be sent to Anbar province, described by Mr Bush as an al-Qaeda base.
More US advisers are to be embedded with Iraqi forces.
COSTS AND ECONOMIC AID

The president will ask Congress for an extra $6.8bn (£3.5bn) to cover the costs of the plan.
Of that sum, $5.6bn will be needed to cover the new deployment.
The remaining $1.2bn is for rebuilding and development, with an emphasis on job creation.
Iraq will also commit $10bn of its own funds to reconstruction.
BENCHMARKS SET FOR IRAQI GOVERNMENT

Completion of an oil law that will lead to revenues being shared among various groups and regions.
Set a date for provincial elections.
Ease de-Baathification policies.
REGIONAL DIPLOMACY

President Bush will call on Iraq's neighbours Iran and Syria to play a constructive role - but he will not propose direct talks with them.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is to tour the Middle East, calling on Arab countries to support Iraq's government.

[Lorn]

Re: Shit has just hit the fan in Iraq

They will make sure you pass the physical

[BureOne]

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Well Im just glad that theres no such thing as the Draft anymore. Knowing that this will eventually be getting worse and worse. I know they tried to put that shit back on but helll no man! Plus if they did, I think Im too old and I def wont pass the "physical"

[asdf_admin]

Re: Shit has just hit the fan in Iraq

no big deal. still in Iraq. You Euro's freak out easily.

[thesightless]

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fight fight fight fight fight fight! When will it end?

well, lets see, they have been fighting and killing everything in site for 1500 years... im gonna go with "not anytime soon" followed by "becuase they are simply too stupid"

[Miguel]

Re: Shit has just hit the fan in Iraq

not all of you