20 dead at uni shooting :(

[Miroslav]

Re: 20 dead at uni shooting

Sorry man, I believe in Tablula Raza (clean slate) at birth. The values that society places on many things propogates fucked up people. Depression is linked to societal materialism and ideology. If we have no value system, much like animals, there won't be a rampage, nor would there be depression.

Everyone has to take into account how they treat people because humans are unpredictable. Everyone I come in contact I treat as an aquaintance and at least try to say something to help better their day because there's always some fuckhead who wants to make their day worse. Often times we forget how volatile people are.

I don't have the facts, so I try to refrain from formulating too many beliefs... That said, I suspect that some people could be just born nutty. People are born with physical abnormalities and even mental deformities. Parallel to that, one might reasonably expect that people could be born with some hormones or chemicals messed up in their heads and that it might pre-dispose them to be psychopaths... Societal factors certainly seem to play a big role...but I wouldn't just assume away the possibility of natural deformities as well.

[Miroslav]

Re: 20 dead at uni shooting

read the warrant. it states that is what they were looking for. page 5 shows what they actually found

doh...sorry, I got way too excited with trying to pull together all of the signs to the guy's deranged state of mind.

[shosh]

Re: 20 dead at uni shooting

read the warrant. it states that is what they were looking for. page 5 shows what they actually found

hmmm...and in his dorm room, item related to the manufacture of explosives and various information related to acts of mass destruction and terror. Who would have guessed.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/04/17/warrant.pdf

[Localizer]

Re: 20 dead at uni shooting

But no, man...it's the movies and TV shows and video games and rap music. Cuz you know people can't just be born fucked up...it's got to be something else's fault.





A lot of good your observations are doing now, dude.

Sorry man, I believe in Tablula Raza (clean slate) at birth. The values that society places on many things propogates fucked up people. Depression is linked to societal materialism and ideology. If we have no value system, much like animals, there won't be a rampage, nor would there be depression.

Everyone has to take into account how they treat people because humans are unpredictable. Everyone I come in contact I treat as an aquaintance and at least try to say something to help better their day because there's always some fuckhead who wants to make their day worse. Often times we forget how volatile people are.

[thesightless]

Re: 20 dead at uni shooting

we need tom cruise and the minority reports

[Miroslav]

Re: 20 dead at uni shooting

hmmm...and in his dorm room, item related to the manufacture of explosives and various information related to acts of mass destruction and terror. Who would have guessed.

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2007/images/04/17/warrant.pdf

[evangelion]

Re: 20 dead at uni shooting

Yeah...I forgot, Korea is obsessed with Starcraft.

[res0nat0r]

Re: 20 dead at uni shooting

Or hell, Super Mario Brothers...that has "violence" in it, right?

no hes asian, it has to be starcraft

[evangelion]

Re: 20 dead at uni shooting

Or hell, Super Mario Brothers...that has "violence" in it, right?

[res0nat0r]

Re: 20 dead at uni shooting

But no, man...it's the movies and TV shows and video games and rap music. Cuz you know people can't just be born fucked up...it's got to be something else's fault.

probably too much Starcraft.....

[evangelion]

Re: 20 dead at uni shooting

Yep...said he was a total loner and was recommend to see a counselor due to some of the fucked up shit he wrote. He was also supposedly on medication for depression. Sounds pretty much like the Columbine guys, right? And you mean to tell me NO ONE saw this coming?

But no, man...it's the movies and TV shows and video games and rap music. Cuz you know people can't just be born fucked up...it's got to be something else's fault.

When I first heard about the multiple shootings at Virginia Tech yesterday, my first thought was about my friends, and my second thought was "I bet it was Seung Cho."

Cho was in my playwriting class last fall, and nobody seemed to think much of him at first. He would sit by himself whenever possible, and didn't like talking to anyone. I don't think I've ever actually heard his voice before. He was just so quiet and kept to himself. Looking back, he fit the exact stereotype of what one would typically think of as a "school shooter" – a loner, obsessed with violence, and serious personal problems. Some of us in class tried to talk to him to be nice and get him out of his shell, but he refused talking to anyone. It was like he didn't want to be friends with anybody.

A lot of good your observations are doing now, dude.

[Miroslav]

Re: 20 dead at uni shooting

ok everyone so check this out...perhaps not surprising, but:

That little fucker had EXACTLY all of the classic signs you'd expect in a person who is going to go nuts and shoot up a classroom.

Completely unfriendly and antisocial, angry a lot, obsessed with violence, wrote disturbing shit, some history of mental illness...you name it, it's there. Apparently he thoroughly creeped the hell out of everyone in his English class with his graphic and disturbing plays handed in for assignments...they even notified school administration about the stuff he wrote. And they all pretty much knew it was him before it was all even figured out and announced.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/vtech.shooting/index.html

Here are links to 2 pretty graphic plays he wrote, along with commentary of a student who was in his class:

http://newsbloggers.aol.com/2007/04/17/cho-seung-huis-plays/

And he left the classic psycho letter at his dorm room where he expresses his hatred for pretty much everyone:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/04/17/cho.profile/index.html

I guess it just goes to show you that there some things you can unfortunately count on when it comes to this kind of crap.

[evangelion]

Re: 20 dead at uni shooting

* Americans use firearms to defend themselves from criminals at least 764,000 times a year. This figure is the lowest among a group of 9 nationwide surveys done by organizations including Gallup and the Los Angeles Times.
* In 1982, a survey of imprisoned criminals found that 34% of them had been "scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim
* Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between 1976 and 1991, Washington D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200%, while the U.S. rate rose 12%.

What did someone else just say..."That proves it!!!"

[shosh]

Re: 20 dead at uni shooting

* In the United States during 1997, there were 15,289 murders. Of these, 10,369 were committed with firearms.
* In the United States during 1997, there were approximately 7,927,000 violent crimes. Of these, 691,000 were committed with firearms.
* Americans use firearms to defend themselves from criminals at least 764,000 times a year. This figure is the lowest among a group of 9 nationwide surveys done by organizations including Gallup and the Los Angeles Times.
* In 1982, a survey of imprisoned criminals found that 34% of them had been "scared off, shot at, wounded or captured by an armed victim
* Washington D.C. enacted a virtual ban on handguns in 1976. Between 1976 and 1991, Washington D.C.'s homicide rate rose 200%, while the U.S. rate rose 12%.
* Federal law 18 USC Section 922 generally prohibits anyone under 18 from possessing a handgun. It also prohibits licensed firearm dealers and collectors from selling handguns to anyone under 21 years of age.
* Laws in the United States generally prohibit the sale, possession, or use of cocaine. About 200,000 American children, age 12-17 used cocaine in 1997. About 2.5 million 12-17 year olds (11.4%) used an illicit drug in 1997.
(http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm)

[chuckc]

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wrong. gun control DOES work.

you add the populations of Great Britain, Canada, Australia, Sweden, Germany, and you have roughly the population of the US.

gun deaths in those countries TOTAL every year: a couple hundred.

gun deaths in the US: around 50,000.



Please explain the difference without using gun control laws...

wow thats a very interesting fact you stated.....maybe those countries have the right idea.....