20 dead at uni shooting :(

[evangelion]

Re: 20 dead at uni shooting

I have a gun or two. I've never killed anyone. Shocking right?

I'm going to look into getting a gun soon. Why? Cuz going to the range and shooting targets seems like fun and a cool test of skill. Simple as that. I'm sure that makes me a gun-crazed, psycho....but whatever.

It would have been nice if yeah, we didn't ever have guns, i'd be all for that. But we're past that now, because we already have them, and more importantly, criminals will always have them no matter what laws you put in place. So i'll be keeping my guns thanks, because the bad guys have them too.

Exactly!!!

If guns are illegal the only people that won't have them are the ones who actually need them. Criminals will get them either way...so why make the general population into target practice? What's to stop a criminal from breaking into someone's house and robbing/raping/killing them if they know for a fact that the owner doesn't have a gun? The problem is the black market....there are "gun highways" stretching all over the country. I'm not totally sure so don't quote me, but didn't Australia's murder and assault rates go up after their new laws were implemented? So...please tell me...how is getting rid of LEGAL guns going to resolve this?


Also...I love the "Why does this only happen in the US?" line. Some kid (probably a transplanted American) just shot up a bunch of people in Canada recently, right? Mexico is run by heavily-armed drug cartels. Darfur is overrun with AK-toting militias. People get killed over freaking soccer in Europe!!! Only in America, right? Or different manifestations of the same problem? But hey...people LOVE piling on the US...so have at it.

[88Mariner]

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^ yup, that proves it!!!

[day_for_night]

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Australia - port arthur shootings. only 35 people killed. you rest your case

regardless of any laws and/or prices, these guys would have killed at will. they would have found a way.

wrong. gun control DOES work.

you add the populations of Great Britain, Canada, Australia, Sweden, Germany, and you have roughly the population of the US.

gun deaths in those countries TOTAL every year: a couple hundred.

gun deaths in the US: around 50,000.



Please explain the difference without using gun control laws...

[runningman]

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How can you say gun laws dont do shit mate.. where i live Australia there are gun laws and control.. and even though the population is not like the US there is hardly ever any shootings in Aus.. I bet give it like 7months and there prob will be another shooting in America.. that is the trend it seems have taken.. And yes people can get guns on the street if they tried i am not saying they cant.. its all about accesability is it not..what i am saying is the more people carrying them the more shootings accidents etc ..And yes maybe it is too hard to do something bout it now so as somone mentioned why now make the price of bullets alot more expensive or something.. i mean these fatcats get all the money in parliment they should think of the ideas and run the country properly.. Anyway thats all.. bye

We have the same laws here in canada but we are seeing more and more shooting from gangs in Toronto.. it is spreading to my town of Windsor as well.. Soon it will be the same in Australia.. I think everybody should have a gun and learn how to use it so people just don't go around shooting people.. Training should be the big issue not disarming.

[shosh]

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Australia - port arthur shootings. only 35 people killed. you rest your case

regardless of any laws and/or prices, these guys would have killed at will. they would have found a way.

[Life on Other Planets AKA Johns]

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How can you say gun laws dont do shit mate.. where i live Australia there are gun laws and control.. and even though the population is not like the US there is hardly ever any shootings in Aus.. I bet give it like 7months and there prob will be another shooting in America.. that is the trend it seems have taken.. And yes people can get guns on the street if they tried i am not saying they cant.. its all about accesability is it not..what i am saying is the more people carrying them the more shootings accidents etc ..And yes maybe it is too hard to do something bout it now so as somone mentioned why now make the price of bullets alot more expensive or something.. i mean these fatcats get all the money in parliment they should think of the ideas and run the country properly.. Anyway thats all.. bye

[shosh]

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gun laws dont do shit. you think if someone wants to go on a rampage in france, they cant go and find guns on the street? of course they can. i wish we could all carry guns to school and everyone else so that next time a fuckass wants to go on a rampage he gets shot right away.

[man_who_wasnt_there]

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Timeline: US school shootings

April 2007: A gunman shoots dead at least 20 people at the campus of Virginia Tech university in Virginia.

October 2006: A 32-year-old gunman shoots dead at least five girls at an Amish school in Pennsylvania, before killing himself

September 2006: Gunman in Colorado shoots and fatally wounds a teenage schoolgirl, then kills himself; two days later a teenager kills the headteacher of a school in Cazenovia, Wisconsin

November 2005: Student in Tennessee shoots dead an assistant principal and wounds two other administrators

March 2005: Minnesota schoolboy kills nine, then shoots himself

May 2004: Four people injured in shooting at a school in Maryland

April 2003: Teenager shoots dead head-teacher at a Pennsylvania school, then kills himself

March 2001: Pupil opens fire at a school in California, killing two students

February 2000: Six-year-old girl shot dead by classmate in Michigan

November 1999: Thirteen-year-old girl shot dead by a classmate in New Mexico

May 1999: Student injures six pupils in shoot-out in Georgia

April 1999: Two teenagers shoot dead 12 students and a teacher before killing themselves at Columbine School in Colorado

June 1998: Two adults hurt in shooting by teenage student at high school in Virginia

May 1998: Fifteen-year-old boy shoots himself in the head after taking a girl hostage

May 1998: Fifteen-year-old shoots dead two students in school cafeteria in Oregon

April 1998: Fourteen-year-old shoots dead a teacher and wounds two students in Pennsylvania

March 1998: Two boys, 11 and 13, kill four girls and a teacher in Arkansas

December 1997: Fourteen-year-old boy kills three students in Kentucky

October 1997: Sixteen-year-old boy stabs mother, then shoots dead two students at school in Mississippi, injuring several others

[Life on Other Planets AKA Johns]

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I just think Americans as a whole have too much choice from food to guns to just about everything. Everything in moderation i say. I mean when theres shows like this one glorifying gunculture on the history channel u gotta ask questions.

Normal civilians should not be aloud own miniguns, flamethrowers and bloody tanks... WTF!

[youtube]4UtosDFNNP8[/youtube]

WTF indeed.. So let me get this straight.. these asshats have these machine guns at home and these people get invited to shoot shit with kids watching and standing around. then people get to go on tanks, have a go on flam throwers shoot cannons and shit.. Now is it just me or does anyone else see the reason why things like what happened yesterday HAPPENED.. Seriously WTF indeed.. So what happens when one of these parents who own these machine guns and all say their kid has a bad day at school and decide to oh well ya know take one with them.. I am sure it has happened before..

Also somone mentioned that criminal records are done and all. so my point is this. if lets say JOE BLOW walks in to a store and tries to buy a gun. then they do a check which lasts 7 days or whatever. then they find out that JOE BLOW is a criminal.. now should that not be reported to the cops .. that this JOE BLOW is trying to purchase a gun and he has a criminal record. Do you guys see what i am trying to get at here..

[runningman]

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I think this just goes to show that everybody needs to carry a gun. The problem here wasn't the police it was the fact that 1 guy had a gun and 26,000 others didn't.. Arm the masses that is what you were founded on...

[Huggie Smiles]

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me too

[RiseandShine]

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be careful, I am a resident alien

[thesightless]

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ARGH!!!!

someone on MSNBC just opened pandora's box...

not a direct quote but here is the gist....

-----the shooter was a resident alien, when will the gov't wake up to the problem of we dont know who we are letting the in country these days.......

STFU plz.

[Mr.Big]

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what is it about americans that makes us do these things more than people from other cultures?

I just think Americans as a whole have too much choice from food to guns to just about everything. Everything in moderation i say. I mean when theres shows like this one glorifying gunculture on the history channel u gotta ask questions.

Normal civilians should not be aloud own miniguns, flamethrowers and bloody tanks... WTF!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UtosDFNNP8[/youtube]

[res0nat0r]

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jenks is right and that any type of gun control laws are way late in the making, there are way too many of them here in the us to even try and get rid of any, i think the more important thing to understand is why there are gun rampages like this in the us more than any other country in the world. what is it about americans that makes us do these things more than people from other cultures?