Lose the B-word

[asdf_admin]

yes. i have a very difficult time for people just stating "because" ... it is such a primitive notion and thought. surely there are levels where "because" is adequate, but in politics, give me a break. It is so easy to be burned left or right, make your own choice, and define it. If you state that you believe and why ... I can not argue that point, nor disregard it. It is a value based upon some eloquent form of thought that has been evaluated by you as an individual. I have much respect for that.

brewing with emotion and fairness.

[Yao]

Well, I can understand why this whole political circus just makes you want to ice-skate uphill, just to annoy all those who just go with the flow without questioning their own motives...

[asdf_admin]

ain't it the truth though?

how many countless battles have i fought with x-girlfriends, because I had no fucking clue what the issue was. I was being attacked when I had a fucking Halo over my head. Hesh.

Granted, with my current wife we just have sex. Solves it every time. lol.

[Jenks]

now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

[asdf_admin]

lol. i really try to stay even on the scale, but it hard because I am so swayed by my liberal counterparts, so it automatically makes hang right.

I am not perfect, nor do I expect to be. I take both sides in, but I will very quickly bash the left. I know it is not fair, but in my recorded day, I must deal with a lot of propaganda from the left, so I feel it is very natural and instinctive way to release my "positive" energy. lol. =P

you know balance the scale. now you know, and knowing is half the battle.

[EvenSteven]

yum. toast.

[toasty]

For a thread that is designed to avoid cries of "bias," there sure is a lot of discounting of source material because it is alleged to be biased. IMHO, it is as dangerous to discount something purely on this basis as it is to only get your information from sources that agree with your ideology. A media outlet can be biased as easily by what it chooses not to report as by the way it reports its stories.

[Yao]

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Still you strike me as someone always trying to weigh out the arguments, and then forming your own opinion based on the information from both sides. That is admirable, and more people should do that. I always try to do it like that, but it's hard to get the right information or to distill the true stuff from all the rubbish that is thrown towards you.

I consider myself lucky that politics in my country are very much less polarized, and that the media here are very critical of every side. They burn down left-wing, right-wing and centered politicians all the same, heheh. And we had a MILF running for the Greens/Environmentalists...if she were our prime minister, we'd go to hell on domestic politics, but damn, if she was to visit she might just charm him out of going into Iraq! (maybe with a little help from her female assets)

[asdf_admin]

that is my point my friend. I can find sources to fight both sides of the blade, equally. There are many anti-liberal sites that invoke the same thought and feelings that have been stated by lobster. It does us no justice. Frankly the only really conservative "TV" media is Fox news. The rest is all slanted to left. Some more, some less. That is a very true fact my friend. The only really conservative media medium is "radio". I can only conclude the reason is that people are able to rebut and dissemble the non-truths out there.

That is the thing I dislike about politics. For every counter, there is a counter, and it is a perfect never ending circle. Both sides are equally very dirty, unjust, and manipulate the truth to their own cause. I freely speak this, and believe this. It is not so cut and dry no more, and frankly I am not sure it ever has been.

Perhaps because I am around so much Liberal Hype, it is has made me a little more swinging towards the left, but I assure if the right was as desperate as the left, I would be swinging towards them.

[Yao]

Then when, O, When WILL it be right Asdf? Don't tell me all of the media are liberal-owned except for Fox, I just won't buy it. Every fact is backed by a link; that doesn't nessecarily make it all true Lobster, but it's way better dan stating things without being able to back them up.

Asdf, instead of just discarding what Lobster said or pointed out in his link, maybe you should put some arguments against that. I know you can.

I'm still not able to explain to my Dutch friends what every candidate really stands for, and what the critiques on them are, exept for all the same stories returning all over this forum...

Grtz,

Yao

[asdf_admin]

i know ... cbs is reputable ... right? =P

come on my friend, those are libeal media stations, of course they will in just cause for the anti-bush machine.

[Jenks]

Re: Lose the B-word

Washington Post, NY Times, CNN, CBS...

reputable sources?

[LobsterClan]

Re: Lose the B-word

No, I don't think it is. I KNOW it is. I'd like to see you prove a single FACT on there wrong. As I already mentioned, every single piece of information on there is backed up by a link to a reputable news source.

As usual, when you don't like something, you sit there and denounce it, instead of actually doing any research to prove otherwise. Full of sound and thunder, signifying nothing.

[asdf_admin]

^^^ lol. you think that is a viable resource? and all the truth and honesty.

i bet you do. you sick fuck.

[LobsterClan]

Re: Lose the B-word

I don't really want to post a lengthy essay about why Bush is this country's worst president ever--- rather I'd prefer someone else just spout off the basic facts.

An absolutely essential website for this purpose is located here:

http://www.wage-slave.org/scorecard.html

The Bush Scorecard of Evil shows all the vile, terrible acts the Bush White House has perpetrated-- unfortunately, it hasn't added anything new in about a year, but believe me over 3 years there are so many despicable acts that will keep you busy for awhile.

You'll notice that more than half of these things were barely even covered by our "press", and yet the site conveniently links to the actual press clippings where they appeared. Enjoy.