Lose the B-word

[asdf_admin]

=( i am sorry to hear that my friend. i still love you ... you lazy bastid. =P

[Civic_Zen]

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Sorry Civic, but no voting means you can't comment on politics. Over here, we have the opportunity to cast a protest-vote because there's enough candidates, or cast a blank vote. But the latter ones will be spread over the top 3 leading parties, if I was informed correctly.

I cast my vote on the Party for the future. Didn't even make enough votes to get one seat in parliament, but hey, they were for a happier society and wanted to organise parties all over the country. Feasting and drinking and having fun! The second man on their list was a famous Dutch DJ and show host. So, I voted against all those A-holes ruling my country now, but I voted.

Well I'm sorry Yao, but considering the only politics we discuss in this forum seem to be that of the US, I definetely have the prerogative to comment on the political discussions taking place. Which means I have the right to vote, not vote, do as I please.

Nor is it the same thing considering neither Bush or Kerry are out to throw parties where feasting and drinking takes place. When you have to choose between a Kerry and a Bush, and you see the world as I do, then you can comment on why I can't comment on politics. Until then, I'll be commenting on politics here and there and everywhere, cause thats what I do. Hoping for a 2008 election where I have the privilege to vote for a candidate I actually have even a small amount of respect for.

[asdf_admin]

if Kerry would legailze pot, he would have me. rofl.

[toasty]

One fear i have is that Bush can do more harm in the next 4 years than Kerry can, since Bush has had 4 years to set up his government, and can spend the next 4 years listening to his neanderthal administration

This is the number one reason I am a Kerry supporter. I feel like Bush has taken us to the precipice of disaster, and it terrifies me to think what Bush and his cronies might do when reelection is not an issue, looking at what they have already done in the last four years...

With Kerry, I think, the worst-case scenario is that we have an ineffectual and inconsequential president for 4 years. With Bush, the possibilities are far worse.

I really wish I had a candidate I could really stand behind, but the fact of the matter is that Bush has made the potential ramifications of voting for him so serious that it is no longer a viable option for me.

[Yao]

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Hell Yeah Asdf.

Sorry Civic, but no voting means you can't comment on politics. Over here, we have the opportunity to cast a protest-vote because there's enough candidates, or cast a blank vote. But the latter ones will be spread over the top 3 leading parties, if I was informed correctly.

I cast my vote on the Party for the future. Didn't even make enough votes to get one seat in parliament, but hey, they were for a happier society and wanted to organise parties all over the country. Feasting and drinking and having fun! The second man on their list was a famous Dutch DJ and show host. So, I voted against all those A-holes ruling my country now, but I voted.

If you have the opportunity to do as I did, do it...It makes you feel really good, too!

[asdf_admin]

your ass will vote, even if i have to go to colorado and beat your ass to the poll. that simple.

=P

vote for a pinko. at least that is kinda statment you are trying to make ... FUCK YOU.

[Civic_Zen]

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I think your #2 was closest to the truth: people need someone strong to go for, and right now you have the choice between a crazy cowboy and a total wimpy wuss...what choice is that?

Maybe going against your belief would be good, but only if you believe it's one step back to make two steps ahead in the future. Otherwise, don't abandon what you believe in.

Definetely how it is for me. Why would I vote for either of those bastards?? I wouldn't, nor do I think that just suckin it up and voting for one of them is the right answer. I am standing for what I believe in, which makes me just as American as anyone who votes. Even more so actually since I'm not following the sheep. By what you said Jenks, I think it makes you more of a sheep by voting for someone you wouldn't want as your president. I am making a much bigger statement by not voting for anyone at all. At least for president. Thats just me of course. Rebel without a cause.

[asdf_admin]

being in the gray is safe, as long as you can watch the black and whites.

what does that mean? as long as you are not directly affected (effect) by the means or sources of the outcomes.

sometimes you just gotta go with your gut. even though it goes against you ideas and morals, as long as you can conclude that the event will benefit the whole.

[Yao]

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Well Asdf, you've got a good reason for thinking like that, with a newborn in your life. With that comes great responsability, and things that previously seemed logical may turn to be a bit less logical when other considerations come into play.

And Jenks, there's nothing with spewing out the stuff that has been waiting to come out you know. Everyone needs to say what he or she thinks once in a while. But I think the story of you and Asdf is that of many more Americans. I think your #2 was closest to the truth: people need someone strong to go for, and right now you have the choice between a crazy cowboy and a total wimpy wuss...what choice is that?

Maybe going against your belief would be good, but only if you believe it's one step back to make two steps ahead in the future. Otherwise, don't abandon what you believe in.

[asdf_admin]

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This sounds really hippie-like eh

there is nothing with sweet old love.

[asdf_admin]

very well stated Jenks. I am in the same boat you are ... on top of it I have a newborn in my life and have washed away my future, for it is all about her, and what world "we" will leave her.

it saddens me. it really does. i love this world so much, and love the people and everything on it. i do not understand many things on this planet, and perhaps I am glad I do not. We all have some power, and that power is to make this place a better one. Be it big or small, a gesture of kindness, gratitude, or simply a thank you. It does make the world go round and make the sun brighter.

That has been my focus lately, the simplicity of life and what we all have forgotten.

[Yao]

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Maybe it DOES take aliens to cut the crap. I'll try and signal with my flashlight tonite, who knows...

Or if they come from Venus, we'll all make sweet lovin'! I bet even Gsus and Mohammed and Buddha can appreciate a well shaped female body. Naked.



This sounds really hippie-like eh?

[Jenks]

the saddest thing i can think of, is the voter turnout in the USA. i don't know the exact numbers, but it's way less than 50%.

i don't understand if it's 1. people just don't care about the direction of their country, and just follow like sheep or 2. people are so fed up with their choices they think either "why bother" or "it doesn't matter" or 3. just too fucking lazy.

either way, the results are sad.

I am going to vote, even though i'm quite sick of all of this, and quite sick of the two choices i'm left with.

Part of me wants to go against my beliefs and vote for Kerry, knowing what a piece of shit he is, just so that we have change. Good or bad, it's still a change. I doubt he can accomplish much in 4 years anyway, then maybe my republican party will have someone worthy of my vote.

Or maybe i'll just vote for bush, and see if he can fuck things up further, and lead us closer to the revolution some say we need anyway. <not sure i want to live through that tho.

The other part of me thinks the groundwork bush has laid in the middle east, will eventually pay off, albeit after many more deaths, battles, invasions, etc. Is this the only way to reform? Hard to tell, and much too late imo.

One fear i have is that Bush can do more harm in the next 4 years than Kerry can, since Bush has had 4 years to set up his government, and can spend the next 4 years listening to his neanderthal administration stomping away what is left of real republican agenda so that my party is so unrecognizable, it'll be a bigger laugh than the Democratic party of today...<which is quite a laugh, holy hell what a mess.

I almost wish i didn't care. But i do, so onward with this mess. Either way, the next 4 years are going to be very interesting for the world.



*and yes, i have no clue what any of this has to do with this topic. it's a culmination of reading a lot of these topics and just picking a place to respond.

[asdf_admin]

haha. ain't that the truth. it is so sad to say this ... but i feel to unit as a world we would need aliens to attack us. would religion matter, would politics matter, would your decent, or what have you done matter? simply no. go get the bad guys.

... hesh.

[Yao]

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If politics were like that, man...this world would be a different place I think. Maybe we'd even stop scaring off the Aliens?