Bush on Iran

[Yao]

Ah, finally someone looking at it the same way I do.

Iran is not a democracy, but it is moving towards that with the reform party. However, the support for Khatami has been declining over the past few years. People say he hasn't delivered on his promises for reform, but how could he, when the highest political authority is the Supreme Leader Ayatollah Khamenei? He has opposed virtually every reform oriented proposal, and right now the hardliners have a majority in parliament, which ties Khatami even more.

As long as Iran doesn't become a secular state, it's gonna be a tough ride for the reformists out there...but at least there is a support basis for liberalisation of the country.

[mixu]

History?

The CIA overthrew Iran's first democratically elected government in 1953 when it tried to nationalise its own natural resources ? installing the pro-American Shah Mohammed Reza Pahlevi who effectively became a dictator.

Not surprisingly there was a people's revolution in 1979 which launched a jihad against the US ? entirely unrelated to the jihad war the US helped instigate in Afghanistan against the USSR.

The Islamic clerics have clearly been too aggressive to the US but given that Saddam launched a war against Iran which the US backed and then subsequently shot down an Iranian passenger airline in 1988 (killing nearly 300 people) on a recognised flight path, you can expect some antagonism.

Iran supported the US in its invasion of Iraq and instead of thanking them, Bush named them as a rogue state.

I'm not defending Iran's Islamic clerics but the progressives in Iran are moving the situation forward ? and let's not forget it's an entirely different situation to Iraq.






And Deep Dish are Iranian

[Dzone]

Hey Jibgolly aka crack endorser aka epidemic creator aka spokesperson for the misguided and the miseducated, you must be spending waaay too much time in your bedroom with the music on too loud in your earphones...you missed what happened over the last 3 years. We were attacked, im serious you can ask one of your neighbors, they'll fill you in on everything, buy you have to come out of your room once in awhile. What your not 'getting' is that radical Islam declared Jihad on the US in 1978. Wheew im just happy YOU do not hold office, we would ALL BE DEAD.

Can i just correct your statement here, if Jihad was declared on US in 78, why US was training and supporting giving weapons to Osama and Mojahdin in Afghanistan ?
Basically if you read more than watching CNN and all they Yanky Wanky news channels you will know that Jihad was declared on US after the 1st gulf war when the US had military bases in Saudi which is the holy land for Muslim and shouldn't hold forging forces.

[rewing3]

Since when is it the US's job to be the big brother of the world. I agree with Jib I think if we would take care of our own problems and not worry about what is going on in the rest of the world. We would not be in this mess. War is not the answer.

[santo26]

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That will take defenatly to the next Irack , Bush want it, at least is what I think,

[camposja]

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The US would avoid so much trouble if they would be at peace with korea china the middle east and the rest of the world for that matter

they ve been antagonizing everyone for the past couple of years

rouge nation

[Yao]

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Good idea

[definiteform]

We take Pete's car, we drive over to mum's, we go in, take care of Phillip - "I'm so sorry Phillip". - then we grab mum, we go over to Liz's place, hole up, have a cup of tea and wait for this whole thing to blow over. =D

[Yao]

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I think Morgan is right about terrorism being fought with force: it's like chopping a hydra's head off while a new one is already trying to attack you.

But sometimes reason doesn't do the trick: Muslim fundamentalists won't listen, won't negociate. It's always the moderate Muslims, but they have little influence on the hardliners. That frightens me: what if talking doesn't help anymore?

[brakada]

Morgan, you should not be scared by Bushs pro defense policies that save all our asses even when we dont hear about it. (Fact: we need to be right 100% of the time, terrorists need to be right once) and YOUR saying these 'suspect strategies and crazy ideas'....THREATEN US??? hahahahah Man your sardonic and breviloquent comments make me think you have more of a thunder-pussy than a set of balls. What should 'scare' you is your naive and mendacious conspiracy theories, your isolating yourself pal.

The problem here is that noone can be right 100% (except in theory) and I believe that the US made just too many "mistakes" to remain trustworthyand lost a lot of hteir credibility. For example why Iraq had to be attacked immediately, when the mission to Afganisthan was far from complete (the circumstances in Afganisthan have still not settled down yet). However, I am still amazed how Americans willingly watch billions of their money being spent on wars outside their countries, which were not neccessary at all... True, Sadam was removed from power, but the conditions in Iraq are still very far from a free, democratic country, that would respect civil rights...

Hos, if you put a gun in the hand of a police officer and another in the hand of a convicted murderer, hmmmm which one you going to trust with the gun??? Your saying there should not be 'different standards' for certain governments or regimes that have nuclear capabilities???!Your pathetic.

But what if the police officer becomes corrupted? And as it has been said, it was only the US who ever used the nukes...

[Hos]

do you think the US will bomb the crap out of Monaco for being a monarchy?

[Morgan]

Jib your right...something about having a pistol strapped to your waist gives you a sense of security. 'go ahead...make my day' hahahah clint eastwood was the man!!

If you seroiusly think that in the western world you need, for your own security to carry a gun on your hip then you are a fool.

In the UK during the irish troubles, the UK didn?t see fit to introduce a PATRIOT act, we have some tough laws relating to homeland security but in the UK it is still illeagal to spy on normal people, unlike the USA.

Do you honestly believe that it is safer for an American in the middle east today than it was 4 years ago? Of course not, this stupid war has just incouraged any person with a greviance agaist the west to form a little terroist cell and start kiddnapping, killing and bombing.

Let me tell you a little story, i took a weeks anti terriost course, we were trained by a specialist Army unit just back from ireland. i got talking to the head guys, and they were very certain that the only way to solve the terrorist threat was to sit the people down and talk a resolution. They were very clear on this point, you cannot fight terror with force, ulimately it is self defeating.

If a specialist terror unit tells me this after losing a good few people to terror then i believe them.

Ask yourself why terrorists hate the west. Then ask yourself has there ever been a sucessful instance when the USA has forced a regime change on country?

Amercia should have learnt from it?s past mistakes, Guatemala, Nicaragua, Honduras, Chile, Iraq, Iran, Afganistan, Brazil, Iraq (again), Vietnam the list goes on.
Who the fuck has given you the right to undermind/overthrow DEMOCRATAITLY elected goverments justg because that goverment does not fit in with the US way of thinking.

Don?t even think you can justify an Iraqi invastion as saving the poor repressed people, bullshit. look at Saudi Arabia, becasue they have a very large amount of oil they are allowed to keep there Dictactorship, repress there people, give no rights to their women, cut people hands & heads off. FFS do you really think any of the 911 hijackers were Iraqi.

But then i guess the Iraqi ambassitor wasn?t drinking and smoking on the balcony with POTUS a few days after, maybe if he was Iraq would still be a soverign state.

[PhAntoM MeNaCe]

Jib your right...something about having a pistol strapped to your waist gives you a sense of security. 'go ahead...make my day' hahahah clint eastwood was the man!!

[Jibgolly]

i'm all for arming myself. legally that is.
my dad has been carrying a gun on his hip for years.
cant think of any other way to feel much more safe.

[LV-8]

... even Kerry will go to war with Iran.

No he wouldn't, wait, yes he would, no wait no he wouldn't, wait I think he would. :wink: