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Easy for you to say from your nice, comfy couch while watching TV, enjoying the comfort of national security. I didn't join the military either, but what do you think your life would be like without the military?Do we have to support the troops? Can someone tell me when is joining the military a 'good' thing? The choices we make in life...only those who made the choice are responsible for their actions...duh! How big of a mistake to make before we can learn from it? I have shot a gun before...but to shoot another human being for no other reason than that my 'government' had told me that their a bunch of 'TERRORISTS' I mean...COME ON!
FOCK this house search BS where Iraqis get zipp-tied to the ground...so DEGRADING...just for being an Iraqi! Along that note...I can't respect a person who doesn't respect another human being enough to treat them like one. Listening to Heavy Metal to get you in the mood to kill? I can understand music can bring hopes up but music that triggers killing tendencies? Does that deserve support? Remember...the US bombed the shit out of Vietnam and killed at least 3 million Vietnamese civilians hoping that they can bomb them into submission. After more than a decade or sanctions with more than a million Iraqi children deaths and unreported radiation affects to the population due to the use of depleted uranium in rockets and tank shells, the Iraqis are still fighting strong as ever. How many Americans ever really think of what happens to all those families because of this FOCKED up decision to invade a the ancient lands of SUmer!!! Do YOU want to be zip-tied to the ground in your own home? Do you want to have a machine gun pointed at YOUR face? Airstrikes on civilian homes...what knd of intelligence is that? I'm supposed to support a pilot that drops a bomb from 10,000 ft up in the air????????? 
-Jun_K
The United States is LOADED with natural resources, along with having plenty of other benefits. Plenty of nations would have loved to annex a bit of North America. Without the military, we'd be called Third Reich West. Or maybe USSR East.
I don't like war, but it's ridiculous to claim the military is evil/unnecessary. Only an American can even consider that thought plausible because we've enjoyed such a long stretch with no attacks on our own soil from other nations.
You may disagree with some actions taken by the military, but thank your lucky stars every day you live under the protection of such a mighty military power.Comment
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Re: is not fair for our troops
Well I don?t know in your country but in Spain soldiers go voluntiers, I mean they wont to go,Comment
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I personally would love to join the armed forces if it would be a "part time job" and you could lead a normal social life... I like weapons and "survival skills" and I would sure as hell join the military if my country was attacked... But I'm afraid that the times of good ol' traditional warfare and man to man combat are over and personally I don't like the high-tech-fighting-from-hundreds-of-miles-away BS...
Well, I agree that you can't respect a person who doesn't respect another individual's human rights, but I think that only a minority of US troops commited the degrading and horrific acts you're talking about. I also agree that it's soldiers' own "fault" that they joined the army, but still I believe they had very little choice where and for what causes will they fight.The choices we make in life...only those who made the choice are responsible for their actions...duh! How big of a mistake to make before we can learn from it? I have shot a gun before...but to shoot another human being for no other reason than that my 'government' had told me that their a bunch of 'TERRORISTS' I mean...COME ON! FOCK this house search BS where Iraqis get zipp-tied to the ground...so DEGRADING...just for being an Iraqi! Along that note...I can't respect a person who doesn't respect another human being enough to treat them like one.
Ban Heavy Metal... The root of all evil!!!
The Vietnamese war was a big mistake (so was the war in Iraq), but I sincerely believe that Americans have more support in Iraq than the US troops had in Vietnam. You can't go blaming all the sanctions against Iraq on the USA. I believe that was more of a UN thingy (although a bad and an ineffective move either). And as I stated before it's probably not the soldiers' but the commanders' fault, since soldiers listen to their orders...
Nope, just support the infantry...
We shall boldly dance, where no man has danced before..."Comment
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First of all...I watch less than 1 hour of TV a day if even that.Easy for you to say from your nice, comfy couch while watching TV, enjoying the comfort of national security. I didn't join the military either, but what do you think your life would be like without the military?
National Security is the responsibility of our silly state and we are still supposed to believe that 9/11 was a terrorist attack when it was actually ALL STAGED! 
(At least in Pearl Harbor real Japanese bombed)
"On September 11, the "Emergency Broadcast System" was not activated in New York or Washington, even after the military and Federal Aviation Administration knew that out of control planes were headed for destruction. In New York, a warning over the airwaves could have saved many lives, since no one would have gone back upstairs in the South Tower (the second one to be hit) after the North Tower had been struck if they had known a second plane was headed their way. Hundreds of lives would probably have been saved. A genuine investigation of 9/11 would inquire why the Emergency Broadcast System was not used to warn New Yorkers that another plane was headed tier way and to seek shelter away from the towers."
< http://www.oilempire.us/media.html > BRING IT ON!
Then why go to Iraq if there's SO much natural resources...why demonize and RAPE other nations of their own natural resources!!! It's not in US' interest to allow other nations to control their own natural resourcse...THAT"S WHY!!!!!The United States is LOADED with natural resources, along with having plenty of other benefits. Plenty of nations would have loved to annex a bit of North America. Without the military, we'd be called Third Reich West. Or maybe USSR East. What makes you think we're not in a fascist state already? Very few would admit that US corporations are heavily involved with funding both sides of ANY war and that includes the Nazis! Check out Arnies' Dad as well as Prescott Bush (G.W.Bush' grandfather), and Union Banking Corp. 
*Police State - "There are three unmistakable characteristics of a police state. The federal or state police serve the interest of the government rather than the interest of the people. The police enforce the policies of the government instead of the responding primarily to criminal behavior. Finally, the police spy on private citizens. All these conditions exist today in the United States."
< http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/279760.shtml >
*Patriot Act, Homeland Security, Total(itarian) Information Awareness -
all designed to strip away our freedom(s) as well as suppress dissent and criminalize dissent as being 'un-patriotic' FEAR!!!
"The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, pull back the curtains, and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater."
-- Frank Zappa
As mentioned before such 'attacks' are only allowed to happen. But sadly on 9/11 it was not allowed but DESIGNED to happen the way it did assuming that the truth would never come out....or that they dun CARE if we find out.I don't like war, but it's ridiculous to claim the military is evil/unnecessary. Only an American can even consider that thought plausible because we've enjoyed such a long stretch with no attacks on our own soil from other nations.
Tell that to the MILLIONS of innocent CIVILIAN souls the US decided to take away in countless conflicts spanning over 100+ years.You may disagree with some actions taken by the military, but thank your lucky stars every day you live under the protection of such a mighty military power.
I enjoy a lot of freedoms, I know...but you do not need a military budget that combines the TOTAL of the next 9 biggest military budgets under it: Russia,France,Japan,UK,Germany,Italy,China,Saudi,a nd Brazil to provide such freedoms. US imperialism MUST end! Everyone just wants to be left alone...unless you have something the US wants~ :wink:
-Jun_KComment
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^^ Gosh I hope that is intended to be tongue-in-cheek.
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I'll bet the "less than 1 hour" of TV that Jun_K watches a day is The X-Files.
THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE, MAN!!!!!Comment
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In response to Jun_K, I wouldn't consider 9/11 a military attack.
There's a big difference between a highjacking/terrorist attack, and thousands of troops running mayhem through your streets, bombs and planes flying over head, and bullets flying everywhere. Just ask Iraquis.
We haven't been attacked like that on our own soil since Pearl Harbor, and even that was only an air/sea attack.
The last foreign ground troops fighting on US soik was, I believe, the War of 1812.
Also, the US military budget is so much larger than the rest of the world because we provide defense for other countries. It was decided early on in the Cold War that it was in the US interest for Europe and Japan to have weak militaries. So, the policy became "we'll provide it for them." We took on the extra expense of providing defense for these countries because it was felt to be safer than having other military powers around.
It also allowed Europe and Japan to spend all their resources on reconstruction, helping the world economy recover more quickly from WWII.
It was feared a strong military in Europe would become a rival instead of a close ally. Japan just couldn't be trusted after what we did to them and what they did to everyone else.
The policy worked perfectly for a long time, and it still has it's merits.
And that's why Bush sucks. Before him, Europe happily went along rubber stamping what US policymakers wanted. All they ever asked for was a nod to the illusion that we needed their sign off, and that we were all a team. We might be captain, but they had a say.
It was all BS, but it was diplomacy. It allowed European leaders to show they were still world leaders, and it allowed the US to develop it's power, protecting US soil and interests for decades.
Bush said "screw all that BS. I'll just do what I want. We have the power to ignore them, so let's do so."
Now he's pulled the curtain away, and Europe is realizing it needs to have it's own military power. Bad news for us, and eventually bad news for the rest of the world unless Kerry can somehow turn back the clock.Comment
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Re: is not fair for our troops
I really feel for the soldiers
they shouldn t be there
bring em back already
and focus on something thats really important
like finding alt energy sources to not have to be dependent on them anywayComment
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It was a Military Coup' against the People of the UNited States!...I wouldn't consider 9/11 a military attack.
US is the ONLY terrorist in both situations. Try me...There's a big difference between a highjacking/terrorist attack, and thousands of troops running mayhem through your streets, bombs and planes flying over head, and bullets flying everywhere. Just ask Iraquis.
ONce again...Pearl Harbor and 9/11 was ALLOWED to happen in order to justify WAR.We haven't been attacked like that on our own soil since Pearl Harbor, and even that was only an air/sea attack.
Just like how the US gives Apache GUnships and F-16s to Isreal in thier defense against Palestinian villages and refugee camps.Also, the US military budget is so much larger than the rest of the world because we provide defense for other countries. It was decided early on in the Cold War that it was in the US interest for Europe and Japan to have weak militaries. So, the policy became "we'll provide it for them." We took on the extra expense of providing defense for these countries because it was felt to be safer than having other military powers around.
But US atrocities are acceptable...despite ALL major cities of Japan firebombed to the ground...US decides to drop 2 atomic bombs anyway.It was feared a strong military in Europe would become a rival instead of a close ally. Japan just couldn't be trusted after what we did to them and what they did to everyone else. To this day...NO ONE has more NUKES than the US...gotta play catchup...all BECAUSE the US has not dismantled even one nuke! 
what is the use of turning back a clock? Will dead AMericans come back?The policy worked perfectly for a long time, and it still has it's merits.
And that's why Bush sucks. Before him, Europe happily went along rubber stamping what US policymakers wanted. All they ever asked for was a nod to the illusion that we needed their sign off, and that we were all a team. We might be captain, but they had a say.
It was all BS, but it was diplomacy. It allowed European leaders to show they were still world leaders, and it allowed the US to develop it's power, protecting US soil and interests for decades.
Bush said "screw all that BS. I'll just do what I want. We have the power to ignore them, so let's do so."
Now he's pulled the curtain away, and Europe is realizing it needs to have it's own military power. Bad news for us, and eventually bad news for the rest of the world unless Kerry can somehow turn back the clock.
People must stand up and end this madness of thinking that military power is the only SAFETY for the world! In the name of MUSIC, PEACE!
-Jun_KComment
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^well, there's one less person i have to read responses from anymore.
btw....for the record, the WTC attack was a civilian hit, not cool, the Pentagon is a military target, and is fair play.Comment
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What's NOT cool is that US attacked itself on 9/11 in order to justify its 'war on terror' Until people admit to that possibility...all discussions are pointless.btw....for the record, the WTC attack was a civilian hit, not cool, the Pentagon is a military target, and is fair play.
-Jun_KComment
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you sir, are pointless. please remove yourself from the planet as soon as possible. thank you for using SouthWesternBell.Comment
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What's NOT cool is that US attacked itself on 9/11 in order to justify its 'war on terror' Until people admit to that possibility...all discussions are pointless.btw....for the record, the WTC attack was a civilian hit, not cool, the Pentagon is a military target, and is fair play.
-Jun_K
Wow...that's just........actually, I don't even know how to respond to that.Imagination was given to man to compensate him for what he is not;
a sense of humor to console him for what he is.Comment
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