Kerry creams Bush in the 2nd debate

[discojoe]

the fact that that man is the most powerful person in the world is utterly horrifying. " i own a lumber company, thats news to me.... anybody want some wood?". Good joke mr. bush! And good luck in those talks to prevent the threat of nuclear war.

I'm a conservative canadian and i really couldnt care less who's president, as long as its not that man. What a fucking retarded country. Jesus christ a man that stupid shouldnt be leading anything. Maybe im just 'misunderestimating' him though.

[toasty]

^^OK, but stem cell research has got a lot of scientists pretty excited about its potential.

I understand, although I do not agree with, the argument that we ought not engage in embryonic stem cell research because it involves destroying a human embryo. The argument that we ought not engage in stem cell research because it might not ultimately bear the type of fruit we're hoping for, however, fails to acknowledge the incredible potential that people educated in the field believe exists in this research. Scientific development should be encouraged -- the current administration's posture has restricted that development...

[PhAntoM MeNaCe]

Also Skahound.....hmmm.....*cough*....well I suppose your just talking out of your neck again or something but...well...heres some news for you. Stem cell research is preliminary RESEARCH. It has not been used to CURE ANYTHING. Yet of course...Im personally very optimistic I have to add. But do you even know what stem cell research is? or what your name is...how many fingers am I holding up? ha..j/k relax
heres some education for ya friend...

?embryonic stem cells have the potential to be used to treat and better understand deadly and disabling diseases that affect more than 100 million Americans, such as cancer, heart disease, diabetes, Parkinson?s, Alzheimer?s, multiple sclerosis, spinal cord injury, and many others.?

"These numerical claims are outrageous. Embryonic stem cell research is a very young science, and its promise is at this point purely speculative. No human therapies of any kind have yet been developed or tested at all, for any disease or condition. And the notion that embryonic stem cells will cure ?cancer? and ?heart disease,? broad categories of diseases that are not used by researchers to refer to particular ailments, is utterly unsupported by even informed conjectures. Yet these broad categories are the only way that advocates for funding can pump up the numbers of people to be cured into the nine-digit stratosphere. One has to wonder how many of the 206 members of Congress who signed DeGette?s letter knew that this figure was wildly exaggerated, and whether they would still have signed if they had known the facts".

http://www.thenewatlantis.com/archive/5/soa/stemcells.htm

PS. dont be all frazzled by my tone, im just being a bit abrasive.

[PhAntoM MeNaCe]

ska, lets not forget that BUSH is the FIRST & ONLY president that has provided federal money for stem cell research. He has said he supports it, and unlike Kerry, his record proves it. Now, you actually believe that for Edwards to suggest that by voting for Kerry...miraculously like a southern baptist or a pentacostal preacher, chronic & degenerative diseases such as paralysis, cancer, alzeimers, parkinsons...diseases that have tormented humans since the beginning of civilization, will be cured as a direct result of voting for Kerry??!! The entire world spends hundreds of billions of dollars for research to cure or slow down these progressive diseases, and Kerry/Edwards, by supporting the funding of this research(which we are ALREADY doing) is going to supernaturally, like a witch doctor, do some wonder working and those who were blind will now see, the dead will even rise from their grave!!! Ska....um, you dont see a problem with making this kind of erratic and irresponsible statement? Skahound, you might have been born in the USA but the rest of us weren't born yesterday.

[skahound]

Your boy Edwards saying 'vote for Kerry, and those who are parapalegic will rise from their wheelchairs', referring to stem cell research [paraphrased by me]

I don't see anything wrong with that line. It's quite possible that could happen. Stem cell research has already cured people of cancer, why not victims of paralysis?

John Kerry attending church the other day when Rev. Al Sharpton said 'GOD has CHOSEN John Kerry'..

How quickly you forget about the comment from Alan Keyes in regards to God not allowing Barack Obama to win the Illinois senate seat.

[PhAntoM MeNaCe]

Haa....toasty that hulk-a-mania plug was deserving, niice work. And Krelm I promise I have an alibi for those two nights of the debates, im not surprised though, I'm always the usual suspect.

Now, Palmer, you and your son lmmadic need to go feed each other your man junk. Indulge yourself in each others plums. Stop trying to plant your seed in my avatar, its just not nice.

Now back to politics. To alot on here, my previous post was a bit hard to digest, but you know what they say the truth hurts. After the debate, nobody is going to give a shit about politics for another 4 years. Personally, im probably going to venture into some obscure site or forum where I can torment different people, and antagonize anyone who opposes me. We should start a new thread....LIFE AFTER THE ELECTION FOR THE POLITICAL FORUM! MUAAHHHHAAAAAAA MUUUUAAAAHHHHHHHHAAAA

But the truth is you LIBERALS aren't trying to elect a president, you want to elect a fucking GOD! All a bunch of bullshit talk, make things sound all cheeky, no solutions. Im pretty vocal on this forum because, well, its fun and entertaining for myself. But you liberals make me sick sometimes. Your boy Edwards saying 'vote for Kerry, and those who are parapalegic will rise from their wheelchairs', referring to stem cell research [paraphrased by me] John Kerry attending church the other day when Rev. Al Sharpton said 'GOD has CHOSEN John Kerry'...'lets get back at them for the 2000 Election, vote John Kerry', ....wtf, this is a circus act campaign by the democrats. Can't wait until this is all over.

[lmmadic]

AND pHaNtOm_MeNaCe what the fuck are you using my avatar for? if you type every other letter in upper case you need to get off my shit.
thanks

i second that, for a minut i tought it was palmer who was rambling like that.

ow, and i'm downloading the debates, i can't comment yet on who has one and who hasn't. (torrents rule )

[palmer]

this forum will self distruct when the election is over.

really tho, what the fuck are we going to talk about when it is over?

how much you hate having kerry in office :ROFLMAO:


AND pHaNtOm_MeNaCe what the fuck are you using my avatar for? if you type every other letter in upper case you need to get off my shit.
thanks

[Jenks]

this forum will self distruct when the election is over.

really tho, what the fuck are we going to talk about when it is over?

[Yao]

Re: Kerry creams Bush in the 2nd debate

I love this fighting over politics! I'm wondering, what will happen after the elections...some people are gonna get it then, on this forum. I'll tell ya.

[fluxus]

Re: Kerry creams Bush in the 2nd debate

Looks like alot of you need to spend some time researching the facts. Bush spent the whole evening lying. Facts are what you should decide your vote on ~ not the dog and pony show that the debates have been turned into. There are plenty of resources out there. If you get your news from Fox and think Saddam had something to to with 9/11, you need to start doing some reading. Go to a bookstore. Just look at the top selling non-fiction - all politics. Give them a read before you start sounding off.

[LV-8]

Re: Kerry creams Bush in the 2nd debate

Hey delirous how can you expect us to read that shit when one the quotes was from Paul Begala?? Umm...he was hired by the Kerry Campaign. Biased you think??

Once again nice try.

[Jun_K]

Re: Kerry creams Bush in the 2nd debate

Where was Cobbs(Green)? Badnarik(Libertarian)? They were arrested for civil disobedience at St. Louis "Debate". Third party candidates are excluded once again from Presidential "debates"

< http://www.votecobb.org/news/arrested >

-Jun_K

[toasty]

Look we ALL saw the same debate. NOBODY 'creamed' ANYBODY. All Kerry does is memorize scripts, and as the true thesbian that he is reenacts his statements. Bush spits it from the gut and that comes accross as completely evident. In my opinion though, BUSH clearly won! The reason is because in this debate, Bush was asking leading questions, being on the offense while supporting his policies over the past 4 years. If Kerry wants a chance at winning, he NEEDS to be on OFFENSE the WHOLE TIME. It has been very clear that BUSH is stronger on National defense, and also ECONOMIC STIMULUS and BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. The reason why Bush WON THE SECOND DEBATE is because he forced KERRY into revealing his true position on the economy. Kerry is trying his hardest to appeal to the 'middle class' while he himself is the RICHEST CANDIDATE IN US HISTORY, and has NEVER EVER EVER HELD A SINGLE JOB FOR HIMSELF outside of making a vote one way or the other in SENATE!!! The guy has never held a job people. And this is the guy portraying himself as ROBIN HOOD, who wants to take from the rich to give to the poor! Im sorry but this is AMERICA. It was founded on capitalism, economic ambition and creativity. Kerry put the nail in his own coffin by isolating himself from WALL STREET. How can you want to PUNISH the upper tax bracket for being rich. Number one anybody in that 200k + tax bracket worked very hard to get there (except for JOHN KERRY WHO HAS BEEN SPOON FED HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND HAS NEVER HELD A JOB) so why should HARD WORK and PERSONAL SUCCESS be PENALIZED? These are the guys creating the JOBS JOBS JOBS, STIMULATING THE ECONOMY ECONOMY ECONOMY!!! BUSH has created tax breaks for everybody, KERRY WILL RAISE TAXES!!!!! PERIOD! If you were a big company or organization, would you want to expand and grow if you knew that more of what you made was going to be taken from you?? FUCK NO. Kerry=NO SENSE The reason why America is the most volitile economy in the world is because of work ethic, and the opportunity for personal wealth. The land of opportunity will quickly dissolve under Kerry's socialist type BIG GOVERNMENT. With Kerry WEALTH will be REDISTRIBUTED to fund MORE BIG GOVERNMENT programs. A government funded HEALTH CARE PROGRAM, HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you guys think you pay taxes now?? Ooohhh myyyyyy? Just wait to see how much you brought home with that system. Kerry is out of touch with reality on everything, but his economic policies are truly mind boggling. I believe this issue, on top of foreign policy, will certainly be his demise.

WHAT 'CHA GONNA DO WHEN PHANTOM-MANIA RUNS WILD ON YOU?!?!?!?!?

[krelm]

Look we ALL saw the same debate. NOBODY 'creamed' ANYBODY. All Kerry does is memorize scripts, and as the true thesbian that he is reenacts his statements. Bush spits it from the gut and that comes accross as completely evident. In my opinion though, BUSH clearly won! The reason is because in this debate, Bush was asking leading questions, being on the offense while supporting his policies over the past 4 years. If Kerry wants a chance at winning, he NEEDS to be on OFFENSE the WHOLE TIME. It has been very clear that BUSH is stronger on National defense, and also ECONOMIC STIMULUS and BUSINESS DEVELOPMENT. The reason why Bush WON THE SECOND DEBATE is because he forced KERRY into revealing his true position on the economy. Kerry is trying his hardest to appeal to the 'middle class' while he himself is the RICHEST CANDIDATE IN US HISTORY, and has NEVER EVER EVER HELD A SINGLE JOB FOR HIMSELF outside of making a vote one way or the other in SENATE!!! The guy has never held a job people. And this is the guy portraying himself as ROBIN HOOD, who wants to take from the rich to give to the poor! Im sorry but this is AMERICA. It was founded on capitalism, economic ambition and creativity. Kerry put the nail in his own coffin by isolating himself from WALL STREET. How can you want to PUNISH the upper tax bracket for being rich. Number one anybody in that 200k + tax bracket worked very hard to get there (except for JOHN KERRY WHO HAS BEEN SPOON FED HIS ENTIRE LIFE AND HAS NEVER HELD A JOB) so why should HARD WORK and PERSONAL SUCCESS be PENALIZED? These are the guys creating the JOBS JOBS JOBS, STIMULATING THE ECONOMY ECONOMY ECONOMY!!! BUSH has created tax breaks for everybody, KERRY WILL RAISE TAXES!!!!! PERIOD! If you were a big company or organization, would you want to expand and grow if you knew that more of what you made was going to be taken from you?? FUCK NO. Kerry=NO SENSE The reason why America is the most volitile economy in the world is because of work ethic, and the opportunity for personal wealth. The land of opportunity will quickly dissolve under Kerry's socialist type BIG GOVERNMENT. With Kerry WEALTH will be REDISTRIBUTED to fund MORE BIG GOVERNMENT programs. A government funded HEALTH CARE PROGRAM, HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH you guys think you pay taxes now?? Ooohhh myyyyyy? Just wait to see how much you brought home with that system. Kerry is out of touch with reality on everything, but his economic policies are truly mind boggling. I believe this issue, on top of foreign policy, will certainly be his demise.

Wow.

After reading that amazingly concise and coherent post, I think we've uncovered a great mystery here - ladies and gentlemen, I present to you the mystery voice in Bush's earpiece in the debates. No, it's neither Karl Rove nor Dick Cheney. It's our very own PhAntoM MeNaCe!!

(who else, speaking into Bush's hear, could make him sound even more rambling than he normally does )

PhAntoM - where were you on the nights of Sept. 30 and Oct. 8?? Can you prove you weren't in Miami or St. Louis?? :P