The O'Reilly show

[prgtrance]

At kleast he is honest and says what he belives and not what some network tells him to say like most of the news reporters today

[timkell]

he didn't say anything about any of those philosophers being "morons," you used that label.

i didn't go to college for a business major, or so a degree would get me a job. i went to college for myself, to learn about something i enjoyed, and didn't think once about what sort of job placement i was going to get because of it.

It was merely stated that philosophy is easy. I personally don't see how one could spend 4 years studying homer and neitzche, although i consider them both to be brilliant. To each his own.

There are easy and hard philosophy classes. And finally, I'll agree with Sacredawe on something. We need a whole lot more philosphy study going on in this world. All scientists and engineers should be required to take a couple of ethics and aesthetics courses.

Without ethics, you get scientists that worship technological advancement for it's own sake, damn the consequences. That's caused us enough problems already. It would be nice to have scientists that grasped the impact of the things they do before they were done.

I was a math major and a philosophy minor, and my upper level philosophy classes were almost as challenging as the upper level math courses. Those classes were unforgettable, and there was no way I was sleeping through them. Best class ever was called Death. Rocked!

[Yao]

Yeah well: bread keeps you alive, thoughts don't okay? Mind if I see to that basic need before sharing any thoughts I might have on any given subject with you?

And don't assume too much, we don't call philosophers in general morons. I doubt if there is anyone here saying Nietzsche is a moron. He came up with some decent thoughts, you haven't. In fact, you seem to be convincing us of your views & points without appreciating the fact that we DO care about what's going on, but deal with it in our own individual ways. You don't own wisdom, but you act like you do. So far, you haven't earned much respect IMO in discussions with this attitude.

Quotes:

- its a business training camp...if you judge people based on their majors or college training...you've really lowered your standards.

- education is a life long agenda...it has nothing to do with sticking to cultural conventions as they are and getting a degree so you can get some lame job.

- still tactless as ever..reducing yourself to such bullshit constantly.

Thanx for treating us like barely evolved primates sacred. We don't know shit and don't know how to reason, but with you acting as our saviour and bright light while we dwell in darkness in the universe filled with stars full of knowledge and wisdom, we may ultimately end up using forks and knives instead of our hands while we have dinner.





Do I sound sarcastic? Noooo....!!??

[EvenSteven]

he didn't say anything about any of those philosophers being "morons," you used that label.

i didn't go to college for a business major, or so a degree would get me a job. i went to college for myself, to learn about something i enjoyed, and didn't think once about what sort of job placement i was going to get because of it.

It was merely stated that philosophy is easy. I personally don't see how one could spend 4 years studying homer and neitzche, although i consider them both to be brilliant. To each his own.

[sacredawe78]

there are easy philosophy courses, then there are difficult ones

philosophy is our most basic science...it may seem trite to some, but it really isnt

it is through philosophy that we will change this world for the better and only through philosophy

guess you would call someone like Nietzsche or Aristotle a moron huh?

philosophy appeals to math and science, as you probably think it isnt

Leibniz was a philosopher...helped elucidate fluxiions (calculus) and also created the binary system...guess he was a moron too??

the presocratics like Parmenides, Thales, Anaximander, etc...they all basically helped bring about some of things today we take completely for granted....they were the first in the west to really start using reason and break away from Homer and Hesiod's mythology and using science

guess they were morons huh?

i don't like to measure people by what majors they are...i think the educational system sucks here...

im pretty sure the majority of majors are business oriented anyway

there was a survey done at the university of florida a few years ago...and about 85% of the people students said they were only taking classes because it would get them a good job

its a business training camp...if you judge people based on their majors or college training...you've really lowered your standards

read some of Nietzche's criticisms of scholasticm and his comparison to what real education is

education is a life long agenda...it has nothing to do with sticking to cultural conventions as they are and getting a degree so you can get some lame job

a "philosopher" realized that...not some number crunching faithful pedant who got a degree in chemcial engineering and his now working at Dow creating a more scenty fresh laundry detergent or some MBA drone on the apprentice sucking Donald Trump's dick to get realized

[Jenks]

^yep.

Except, i'd venture to guess that most of us here are university educated, or at least intelligent enough to make an argument for what we believe in, or we wouldn't be browsing the political section on a music site.

i don't even label myself that much, beyond voting mostly republican, i just live and make decisions. Call it what you want, evil, nihilist, whatever you will, labels matter not to me in the grand scheme of things, and that's where i live.

i took all those tree hugging philosophy classes, slept through most of them, because you could always just bullshit your way through the tests. Still maintained a 3.0, and didn't even study. lol. Philosophy majors.

[Yao]

You're using technical terms here mate. Not everyone is a universitary student here, and even if they were, keeping your conversation plain and simple with just a few commonly used -isms would be favourable.

I am not a nihilist as far as I know. My friends think I'm all kinds of things, including a total whacko and oversexed, but not a nihilist.

To be really honest: I don't know where I stand. I don't advocate one thing or another, I only advocate that what I think is best for any given society.
And of course that can differ per situation.

I'm still in a learning process, I'll take my time to get to know the things I need to know.

[sacredawe78]

too many isms for you guys???

not trying to sound smart or knowledgeable for the sake of it...it just happened that isms are good ways of describing overarching themes

is that not what we have been discussing?

still tactless as ever..reducing yourself to such bullshit constantly

[thesightless]

Re: The O'Reilly show

word of the day

7 entries found for ism.
ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (zm)
n. Informal
A distinctive doctrine, system, or theory: ?Formalism, by being an ?ism,? kills form by hugging it to death? (Peter Viereck).

-ism
suff.
Action; process; practice: terrorism.
Characteristic behavior or quality: heroism.

State; condition; quality: pauperism.
State or condition resulting from an excess of something specified: strychninism.
Distinctive or characteristic trait: Latinism.

Doctrine; theory; system of principles: pacifism.
An attitude of prejudice against a given group: racism

ism

\Ism\, n. [See ism, above.] A doctrine or theory; especially, a wild or visionary theory. --E. Everett.

i wont go on. sry.

[timkell]

OK, now I'll try not to bash Sacred anymore.

I promise. I'll try.

[Civic_Zen]

You forgot fatalism, and stoicism. He used others over and over too with his whole utopian society pipe dream. I'm too lazy to go back and reference them, but you get the point there sacred, now Say "AWE"

[thesightless]

Re: The O'Reilly show

point made in certain PM's throughout the day.

PUT THE THESAURUS AWAY!!!!!

either that, or Hofstra University is looking for a qualified teacher.

https://www.hosftra.edu

[timkell]

yao and sightless

so ultimately youre advocating nihilism?

Sacredawe, can you please stop dropping names of philosophical/political/religious schools of thought?

It's boring and pointless. It shows a desire to look knowledgable over a desire to actually BE knowledgable.

I still haven't seen one coherent post from you. State how you feel without saying any of these words: capitalism, nihilism, calvinism, mercantilism, socialism, or any other ism. See if you can do it.

[asdf_admin]

he's been trying.

[Jenks]

you dig out your college philosophy text books or what sacredawe?