Do you own a Gun?? US citizens

[DIDI]

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You can't change history, you can all have a hand in changing the future if the will is there, and that seems to be lacking here . AlI I have seen is justification or even worse total denial of what is happening

[MJDub]

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Localizer, it's not even a liberal vs. conservative thing. I'm a pretty liberal guy, but of the educated type, so I think it's more like what you said with it just being a lack of historical perspective. But whatever, this thread isn't going to change any minds or policies, clearly.

[DIDI]

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Please do it quickly I've had all this bullshit.

[i!!ustrious]

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^^ Ok just keep killing yourselves and each other with guns. Your statistics are appalling in both areas.

^ lol at nationalism.

sovereign borders etc. really don't exist anymore, and "america" is just the (most synthetic) centrifugal and centripetal hub in this violent world -- we all know that. blame human nature and weaknesses; not a select "country" and those conservative/constitutional values.

[DIDI]

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^^ Ok just keep killing yourselves and each other with guns. Your statistics are appalling in both areas.

[Localizer]

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Thanks for reprinting my answers Btw I have posted links in this thread. Look Harder

My bad, I guess I skipped over it.

Anyway, so I looked at the statistics which were from 7-13 states, then I looked at the 2005 stats from the CDC. approximately 35k people died from guns in the US. 50-60% of those were suicide. That leaves about 17k gun deaths...out of a population, i don't know, let's say of 250 million for that time. That's roughly .000068% of that theoretical population. This is hardly an epidemic. This is nothing more than a scare tactic. Even if you could spread those numbers to all 50 states, you'd have roughly .02% of the population dying from firearms. Sorry, but this 'incredible stats of homicide deaths' is pure BS. As for suicides? Well, the government isn't in the job of babysitting everyone's emotions.

[i!!ustrious]

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[Life on Other Planets AKA Johns]

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Fuck guns. Made only for 1 reason and one reason only. People that say cars kill more people (thats true) but cars serve a different purpose.

[DIDI]

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Thanks for reprinting my answers Btw I have posted links in this thread. Look Harder

[Localizer]

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MJDub,
Pretty disingenuous analogy that seems to get used a lot!

Killing people is a byproduct of car useage, usually brought about by misuse of the car. Whereas gun deaths are when the gun, particularly the hand gun, is doing exactly what it was designed to do! Kill people!!

No, a gun, like a car, is a tool, and that is all. The person behind it are what do the damage. You can still kill a family with a carbon monoxide and moreso during winter months.

[Localizer]

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Originally Posted by Localizer
Really? How about you point out those statistics and the breakdown of those statistics per state.

Well I have posted some but you obviously chose not to read them. Really good Harvard study!!

Certainly not int his thread.

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oxymoron. right to bear arms, well regulated militia = compulsory to a, say it with me now, free state.
I can;t actually believe someone is interpreting the 2nd amendment as compulsory Btw you are a militiaman ??

yes, compulsory to a free state. and yes, I will in the near future be joining a militia.

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Right, and the UK knife bans have worked so well
And this relates to present discussion on American gun ownership how ??? But an Australian strengthening of gun control which did have positive results, does relate.

Guns and knives are both tools. A ban for one works in one country and a ban for one does not work in the other country. It's highly relevant to the thread. In fact, what I've been reading, crime really hasn't changed and it has only been substituted by other forms of weapons. And there lies the problems, you can get rid of guns, but then what's next to substitute it?

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I never said it was a bad thing, I merely stated that the rest of the world needs to not be so egotistical and yuppy sounding as if they're so ethically and morally righteous than everyone else.
This is a gun issue "not a a world against America" issue

It is a world against conservatives issue.

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see how that works? plur mannnnn.
I didn't think it worked actually.

Of course not, you're Australian. You guys know little of our precedents in the courts and our history. Wouldn't really expect you to figure out how the 1st amendment was derived either.

[Localizer]

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Once again you try to turn this into an anti American thing. One thing these forums have taught me is that there are many, many different opinions held by Americans on all issues. And thankfully there are many, many who disagree with you on this issue.

It's not an anti-American thing, it's a lack of historical perspective which the world doesn't want to acknowledge. Those people that call themselves Americans, who don't agree with most of the Constitution, are nothing more than Americans who have never read it.

Those same Americans are the ones that bitch when local governments put up speeding cameras, and then, and only then, do they want protection from the constitution in the form federal jurisdiction or the 6th amendment.

You know the demographics of the people that voted for prop 8 in California? A significant majority of the people that voted were democrats. And guess what, they know jack shit about the Constitution and its amendments otherwise they would not have voted for it in the first place.

So your presumption that most disagree will be in large part due their baselessness in American history. If you don't like guns, fine, but like I said, don't bark up my tree about it. And I made that pretty dam clear. And I urge you to talk to your local American the next time you're here to see how much they know about their own document that gives them the liberties that they have.

It has nothing to do with being America, we just don't like to see you killing yourselves. It's anti gun thing , not an anti American thing.

And it turns into an anti American thing because you don't understand the viewpoint from a conservative perspective. We have our weapons for a reason, we already established that--you guys just don't like that we do and so the typical liberal vs. conservative battle starts.

Once you strip away the rhetoric we get back to the fact that if you are any ordinary householder that owns a gun , you are far more likely to die from a gun, and there is a very good chance the gun will be yours.

When you get a razor, you're more likely to cut yourself. When you get a radio, you're more likely to shock yourself. When you get ant spray, you're more likely to ingest toxins. There's a risk to everything. Life isn't failproof.

The most apparent thing about the 2nd amendment is the controversy about the interpretation. Apparently a lot of American critics as well as foreign critics don't agree with a lot of the posters here.

Like who? You said you posted articles regarding the homicide stats but you didn't. And great, a lot of American critics don't agree with foreign critics or other American critics. It still doesn't detract from the vitality of such an amendment as a means from repression.

[DIDI]

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check your inbox didi

Answered!!

[DIDI]

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MJDub,
Pretty disingenuous analogy that seems to get used a lot!

Killing people is a byproduct of car useage, usually brought about by misuse of the car. Whereas gun deaths are when the gun, particularly the hand gun, is doing exactly what it was designed to do! Kill people!!


I haven't actually asked for a ban, I would love it, I'm realistic to know that couldn't work, but to just keep quoting the 2nd amendment isn't working either. If you care, looking at sensible regulation is the way to go.

[i!!ustrious]

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check your inbox didi