IDF invade Gaza Strip

[runningman]

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This is a great watch to further understand the situation. It's called Peace, Propaganda and the promised land

[gvideo]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6604775898578139565&ei=ebJjSaWcOISM-QG0zbjQDg&q=israel+palestine[/gvideo]

You can see the propaganda live right now. Go to cnn.com and you will see that Israel "responded to mortar attacks from the school" and then go to raw story and it says "Israel bombed UN school killing 40"

[Miroslav]

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You can see the propaganda live right now. Go to cnn.com and you will see that Israel "responded to mortar attacks from the school" and then go to raw story and it says "Israel bombed UN school killing 40"

so how do you know which if either version is "real" and which is propaganda?

[davetlv]

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Shiva

Your definition of an extremist Israeli - someone who fights backs.

Jeez louise, contrary to what you might think, i have always, and always will support a two state solution, i do not agree with everything my government does - either in my name or not - i pushed for dialogue with fatah in the 1980's and was arrested for and spent time in military prison for refusing to serve in the territiories - don't you fucking dare call me an extremist.

I'm not sorry that I support my government against the homicidal tendancies of Hamas and their string pullers in Iran.

As for Hizbollah cause and effect - listen very carefully you European import - bullshit. According the UN Israel does not, i repeat, does not, occupy any part of Lebanon. The sheba farms, according to the UN belong to Syria, if anyone.

I know it sucks that we're not prepared to piss off but fucking deal with it.

If the arabs in the middle east spent less time obsessing about Israel and more time in educating their people you wouldn't fucking have problems with extremists - but oh no, much better keeping the wealth amongst the few whilst your masses fucking starve.

And then you fucking have the audacity to blame Israel for every fucking little thing.

Grow up

[davetlv]

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so how do you know which if either version is "real" and which is propaganda?

Miroslav

If Israel, with all its capabilities, wanted to willy nilly slaughter innocent civilians, the death count would be much higher than it is.

If Israel hit a school, specifically a UN establishment, then I would take a guess and say that it was 95% certain that rockets were being fired from there - experience tells us so.

[runningman]

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did u watch the documentary yet? I didn't post it so I could explain it to all of you.

[Miroslav]

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Miroslav

If Israel, with all its capabilities, wanted to willy nilly slaughter innocent civilians, the death count would be much higher than it is.

If Israel hit a school, specifically a UN establishment, then I would take a guess and say that it was 95% certain that rockets were being fired from there - experience tells us so.

I don't dispute your explanation, I certainly have no information to lead me to a different conclusion. It was more of a general rhetorical question to runningman.

[runningman]

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just watch the documentary. yes it is long but you can't explain this mess in 10 mins.

It is made by Jewish people

[Miroslav]

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^^ maybe I will when I have time later. I doubt it will give me the answer, though, because the whole point is that there isn't ever a clear answer as to what is propaganda and what is "real". Most everything has a spin, even that video.

[runningman]

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well you sure do have to have spin when you kill 40 kids. what ever happened to protecting children? Even if their parents are in the wrong.

[ace_dl]

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Miroslav

If Israel, with all its capabilities, wanted to willy nilly slaughter innocent civilians, the death count would be much higher than it is.

If Israel hit a school, specifically a UN establishment, then I would take a guess and say that it was 95% certain that rockets were being fired from there - experience tells us so.

What are you trying to convince us here David?

Since your planes dropped leaflefts warning everyone to get out of their homes
or they will get killed because their houses will be bombed ... where would the
inoccent civilians flee?

Their home has been converted to a prison with 1.5 milion people
being trapped behind the Israeli fence dotted with machine gun posts and watchtowers.
Israel, with all its capabilities and its super Inteligence, should know that those places
are being used as camps for women and children!

The UN said the school in Jabaliya was clearly marked, with a UN flag and its location
had been reported to Israeli authorities.Under international law, installations such as schools, health centres and UN facilities should be protected from attack. Well before the current fighting, the UN had given to the Israeli authorities the GPS co-ordinates of all its installations in Gaza.

[Shiva]

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Well... this reaction of yours was kinda expected Dave.

I didn't call you ANYTHING, I just said earlier while reading your responses to me and other users, that I hope I am not dealing with an extremist, and that this would appear later. This is not calling you an extremist, on the contrary is hoping to be able to exchange points of voews, and one more reason for that is that we both stand on the other side of the border.

You call me names coz I am sharing my straight points, as a European export you say?

Many analysts living abroad, in the US or Europe, that have never even came close to the middle-east, could teach you, as Israeli, the strory of Israel from its roots:
it is more about knowledge than about shooting people.
The fact that you served in the IDF deosn't make you superior or special, all isrealis are required to serve 3 yrs...

But if you say you don't agree with your Gov etc etc.. why are you starting to loose it and call me names simply coz I am saying facts w/ my point of view? You just said that your gov is not always correct, and true coz there is NO PERFECT GOV on this planet, can't satify everybody in society.

All people and democracies make mistakes, especially the young ones. But the important is to learn from the mistakes...
Israel is a very young democracy and whether you like it or not, it has done and is doing many mistakes, just like all the rest of the democracies.

If you read well my comments, you will notice that I have criticized LOTS of things, not only in Israel but in Lebanon as well, from a LEBANESE AND EUROPEAN standpoint.
And yet, you took it at me although we are basically in agreement that "we don't agree" with your gov on killing people...

So Mr. export, soldier or no soldier, busted or no busted, bottom line:
There is a massacre going on and last time I checked the blood was on IDF's hands, the counter of civilian casualties is rising by the minute!

(and for the second time I ask you, plz lets try to keep a clean language, thank you)

[thesightless]

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everyone needs to chill out here.

facts are facts

day 1 - hamas sends rockets
day 2 - isreal overreacts again
day 3 - palestine plays poor me scenario that they are so good at doing
day 4 - isreal says we dont care, people argue.

rinse, recycle and repeat. it aint gonna end until hamas stop and accepts isreal and the next day isreal starts HELPING gaza rebuild, in every facet from construction, to medical to schooling, and furthermore, gazans, notably the sicko muslim fanatics there, accept the olive branch.

west bank did. working pretty well for them. best economy in a decade, work with isreal, peaceful, medical care up, religious freedoms enjoyed, etc.

note to hamas, look at west bank, give up your silly mohommed nonsense for just a little while, and put religion on the back burner. its all bullshit anyway.

[shosh]

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in b4 statistics of palestinian suicide bombers

[runningman]

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WATCH THE VIDEO EVERYONE BEFORE MAKING A COMMENT IN THIS SECTION or you will sound like you don't have a clue of what is going on.

Day 5- Nuclear world war if it doesn't stop

Best economy ever (60% laid off) ya right. Facts can be manipulated.

now look at this. Israels image is being hurt by bombing Gaza and now they are saying everyone is anti-semetic. I couldn't have posted that video at a better time.

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Europe_..._01062009.html

This is my problem with Israel. The propaganda is second to none. Whenever someone talks bad about Israel that means we are going to see the next holocaust. So much Bullshit. I mean when Canada went into Afghanistan I said bad things about my own country. Doesn't mean I hate canada and want to see canadians killed.

[thesightless]

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i didnt say ever. i said in a decade. and i watched the first half hour, im at work, i cant watch it all. i get the point.

but i also get the point that there is a group of people who do as much localized propoganda as isreal, and who were put into power by a public vote, and these people condone the deaths of isreal and continue to deny its existence, and ignore all brokered peace treaties. how long do you let your neighbors son throw stones at your house before you walk over and regulate.

both are at fault, both need to do some major things.

hamas, STOP FIRING MISSLES
isreal, CHILL OUT.