Video Captures Battle of Fallujah...

[Balanc3]

http://members.cox.net/macallan_the/falluja.asf

related article:

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20041114/D86BSORO0.html

[toasty]

crazy shit. Nerves of steel, those folks have...

[asdf_admin]

wow.

[sacredawe78]

get out the popcorn right?

more =

be all you can be

what heroes!!!!


get rid of this postmodern trash

[tiddles]

:o

[Balanc3]

get out the popcorn right?

more =

be all you can be

what heroes!!!!


get rid of this postmodern trash

Your a fucking moron. As if you haven't had your ass pounded enough since screaming I HATE AMERICA. You don't like it then leave- but this is reality. The truth is called hate by those who hate the truth... would you rather be blind to what is taking place in Iraq? Cause most Americans are and are quite satisfied in keeping it that way. I did not get joy in watchin this video, just shows what its like to be at war. None of us are happy that we are at war, but there is nothing we can do about it, not our decision to make. Your boy John Kerry even told Brokaw a week before the election, "I can't guaruntee if I was President, that we still wouldn't be at war with Iraq." No matter who wins, we lose. You should be taken out back and stoned.

[sacredawe78]

you're a violent little bitch aren't you?

i don't like the war...you're right...but that is all you're right about

john kerry is not my "boy"

we are in iraq because of george bush and his cohort's decision to go there

as far as the "postmodern" reference...i am sick of the general aesthetic that puts people who commit evil as heroes...it is all over...and the general interpretation that it might be "cool" is no different than that aesthetic

i should be "stoned"....i should be stoned on some sort of drug that offers mind expansion...if you are referring to death...then all i can say is you are really pathetic thinking you can intimidate someone on your computer, sad...and ultimately it just shows how much of a pussy you are

please threaten me more...you pathetic fuck

[BSully828]

Re: Video Captures Battle of Fallujah...

It's not even worth it Balance - responding will only fan the flames. With every post it becomes more apparent that sacredawe is less interested in voicing his beliefs than he is in garnering attention. He's like that guy in Good Will Hunting - the one with the ponytail at the bar: very well read but lacking in originality. Nearly everything he's typed is a hodgepodge of various utopian and postmodern ideals but none of it carries any reality to it - it great fodder for the classroom but falls flat once you get off campus.

So let him regurgitate all the Baudrillard he wants - he's not looking for a debate but a forum to spew all the philosophies he's been reading about.

[sacredawe78]

Re: Video Captures Battle of Fallujah...

It's not even worth it Balance - responding will only fan the flames. With every post it becomes more apparent that sacredawe is less interested in voicing his beliefs than he is in garnering attention. He's like that guy in Good Will Hunting - the one with the ponytail at the bar: very well read but lacking in originality. Nearly everything he's typed is a hodgepodge of various utopian and postmodern ideals but none of it carries any reality to it - it great fodder for the classroom but falls flat once you get off campus.

So let him regurgitate all the Baudrillard he wants - he's not looking for a debate but a forum to spew all the philosophies he's been reading about.

its obvious you're on the defense because of some lack of understanding...if you don't like what i say, give me reasons...i am open to listening...

but it seems all you would like to do is to be a "realist", which seems to me to convey a lack of progress and if all you want to do is avoid negativity...how do you do make change for the better?? ignore it??

lastly your cynicism is just typical of what ive discussed on earlier subjects...you think everything i say is for selfish reasons...you may be right...however, i think that is an inherent fact of nature...i think that when people should argue...it is how progress happens...

what good can ignorance do when there is so much rampant evil?

im not interested in regurgitating ideas with no progression...i want our species to progress...if i ask the tough questions or offer alternatives that seem radical, its only because it is so strikingly obvious that it must be the case...we live in a world with no morality at all...there is no reasoning for the group that makes any sense

ignorance and cyncism in today's culture to me is just the banalization of evil...its so gratuitious, you think that it must be "real," hence anyone who thinks about change must be avoiding the truth, right??...then those "outcasts" could be considered selfish psychopaths such as myself...which seems to be what people feel here

[Trillian]

Re: Video Captures Battle of Fallujah...

It's not even worth it Balance - responding will only fan the flames. With every post it becomes more apparent that sacredawe is less interested in voicing his beliefs than he is in garnering attention. He's like that guy in Good Will Hunting - the one with the ponytail at the bar: very well read but lacking in originality. Nearly everything he's typed is a hodgepodge of various utopian and postmodern ideals but none of it carries any reality to it - it great fodder for the classroom but falls flat once you get off campus.

So let him regurgitate all the Baudrillard he wants - he's not looking for a debate but a forum to spew all the philosophies he's been reading about.

it's obvious you're on the defense because of some lack of understanding...if you don't like what i say, give me reasons...i am open to listening...

but it seems all you would like to do is to be a "realist", which seems to me to convey a lack of progress and if all you want to do is avoid negativity...how do you do make change for the better?? ignore it??

lastly your cynicism is just typical of what ive discussed on earlier subjects...you think everything i say is for selfish reasons...you may be right...however, i think that is an inherent fact of nature...i think that when people should argue...it is how progress happens...

what good can ignorance do when there is so much rampant evil?

im not interested in regurgitating ideas with no progression...i want our species to progress...if i ask the tough questions or offer alternatives that seem radical, its only because it is so strikingly obvious that it must be the case...we live in a world with no morality at all...there is no reasoning for the group that makes any sense

ignorance and cyncism in today's culture to me is just the banalization of evil...its so gratuitious, you think that it must be "real," hence anyone who thinks about change must be avoiding the truth, right??...then those "outcasts" could be considered selfish psychopaths such as myself...which seems to be what people feel here

I am new to this board, and I am a Canadian who spent the better part of her young life in the US.

I am disdained by the effects of this war, and how it has destroyed many lives both American and Foreign on the basis of tainted evidence. Anyone with a moderate education and insight into the world around them is well aware that this war was purely a lucrative avenue for the wonderful leaders of the US.

I know that we can only look forward and try to ammend what has occured. But I find it difficult to fathom that the Bush administration has any intention of leaving the Middle East alone. He would have attacked Syria had his advisors not pursuaded him against it.

It's really a big shame that so many are blind to the truth, and still digest this utter shit about WMDs and plotting. Perhaps one should start reading points of view external to the US, the many other countries who actually bother to seek knowledge beyond our borders.

My only suggestion is that people stop playing the victim and sympathise with those who really have been victimised.

Thank you Sacred, for not ignoring what is evident.

[runningman]

I can't believe your on that side..^^ .. What is everyones plan then to stop the planes from flying into buildings?? this is what has to happen.. these aren't peaceful countries the US is invading.. I am glad that you have an opinion but don't feel bad for thoses we are killing there.. feel bad for the average joe worker who went to work sept 11 2001 who had kids and a family that loved him..and don't say "Oh that is horrible as well".. no they started it and they are hiding in these countries behind woman and children and idiots like you feel bad for them.. so wake up and smell reality.. the world as we once knew it will be no more.. when the USA goes into Iran the real shit will hit the fan..

[Trillian]

That was Osama Bin Laden. He's from Afghanistan. Not Iraq.

The problem is that many people think the middle east is one big country, but it is comprised of many; most whom are not associated with the Taliban. We must learn to distinguish ourselves and to stop generalizing about an entire country, and we must break the language barriers.

The Iraqi invasion is based purely on the profit of oil. Start familiarizing yourselves on how high stock prices have risen since the US has invaded, and start researching the US' many years of association with the bin laden family themselves. It is no coincidence that they were given refuge BY THE USA when the two towers were destroyed.

You want to me to think about the lives and cry. I certainly did. But I also cry for the people of angola and sierra leone whom are being pileaged for diamonds! I can name a million places where people are mercilessely killed and ravaged for no reason. Has the US paused for a brief moment to grieve for them? I think not.

This is exactly the ignorance that is constant. You didn't even know the difference between afghanistan and Iraq...It's like saying Americans are Canadians and vice versa.

Start reading real literary resources and turn off the C-Span, Fox News, CNN, and MSNBC.

[runningman]

Oh come on oil?? Why hasn't the price of gas gone down then??
Why would the USA help them and convince the american public to send soldiers for a war that isn't theirs.. For angola and sierra leone that is up to the UN.. Where are they now?? Why aren't they there more?? because they don't do a God Damn thing about anything.. The Us is trying to protect itself.. If the US went against the UN why didn't the UN step in??

[BSully828]

That was Osama Bin Laden. He's from Afghanistan. Not Iraq.

That was Al Qaeda. They're from all over the world. Including Iraq.

Sacredawe - I agree with what you're saying, but I cannot see how you think it can be accomplished. I'm with you 100% in the idea that we, as a species, need to elevate ourselves beyond where we are now - beyond class, race, religion, ect.. ect.. And in order for that to happen we, as a species, have to combine our efforts towards such a goal and eliminate the social constructs I just mentioned.

The problem is that such an act requires all those involved to have the same goal in mind, start on the same level, work in equal partnership - there must be a universal desire among humans as a species to work together. Right now, that is only a dream - forces that have been in play longer than any of us have been alive have been at work maintaining inequity among the human race. Let it be through class structure, or distribution of wealth or whatever - that inequity has been at work for ages. The focus of that work is forged in hatred, ignorance, and fear - and each can manifest itself in evil.

Whether you believe evil begets hatred or vice versa, the fact is there is evil in the world. From reading your posts I feel that you believe (and if I'm misrepresenting you here, I apologize) that there is no quantifying evil - evil is evil no matter what the form. Which I don't agree with, but can certainly understand. For you, the soldier in this video is no different than the hijackers of 9/11 - they both committed an evil act therefore are evil. And you believe that as long as such evil acts occur we, as a species, will never elevate ourselves to that harmonious world.

I'll avoid getting into specifics to keep this brief, but that is where I find fault in your theory. You don't seem to recognize that the type of transcendence you are calling for requires worldwide cooperation. And worldwide cooperation cannot take place until evil has been replaced. You used the phrase "inherent fact of nature" in reference to the apparent "selfishness" of arguing ideas. It is also an "inherent fact of nature" that there is evil in this world.

Despite the fact that there those whose life work it is to do good, there is evil in this world. Regardless of how strongly you want this human race to ascend to higher planes of thought, there is evil in this world. This is a fact no one can argue - there are evil people out there whose sole bent is to defeat and destroy. As long as there are evil people in this world, the type of unification needed to advance our species will always have opposition.

So where is the "ignorance" in this? Am I ignorant because I don't believe the idea of a utopia is possible in our lifetime? Am I too much of a realist because I recognize and acquiesce to this fact? I would love to live in the world you describe and be free of such things as class, wealth, war and evil - but I also understand that along with all our strengths, those foul traits are an "inherent fact of nature" to man.

My question to you then is, how do we ascend to the higher state? What would you have man do in order to rid himself of the very qualities that make such a venture impossible?

[BSully828]

Oh come on oil?? Why hasn't the price of gas gone down then??

And why would we start a war 1/2 way around the world, face international criticism and scrutiny, foster distrust among our own citizens, and send our own sons and daughters in to imminent danger every day all for something we could get in our own backyard (Alaska).

And why would we have the pumps in Iraq manned by the coalition and still continue to fight. Twice we were sitting right on the faucet, we could have flown in the Clampets and gone to work pumping away, but we didn't.