Obama and Gay marriage

[Huggie Smiles]

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and lets be clear here - there are thousands of hetro couples who should have never had children, they are horrible parents. just being hetro does not make you a good parent.

[Miroslav]

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he is the president. he owns the house. he owns the senate. he could pass a law requiring americans to wear blue hats if he wanted to.

He doesn't own anything; he's a president, not a dictator. It's clear that you're not very well aware of how our government works over here, so let me explain:

We have a little something called "checks and balances" baked into our system here. That means that governmental power is purposefully divided among three branches of government: the Judicial (i.e., Supreme Court), the Executive (the President & staff), and the Legislative (House & Senate). The idea is that no one branch can hold all power and unilaterally override the other two at will; each branch of government does different stuff and acts as a "check and balance" against the other two.

The president and his folks basically make up the Executive branch. The issue you're proposing really resides in the Judicial branch - with possible impacts into the Legislative branch, depending on what path it might take. It is by design that the U.S. President isn't given power to make whatever legislation he/she choses and also interpret the Constitution however he/she sees fit; that is what a ruler or a dictator does, not a president.

Here is a helpful picture:

[MJDub]

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and lets be clear here - there are thousands of hetro couples who should have never had children, they are horrible parents. just being hetro does not make you a good parent.

^^^Sweet Fancy Moses, this!!!

[runningman]

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Miro you live in dream world. Do you know that people that refer to the constitution are possible terrorists. I would love to debate the constitution with you but this is the gay thread.
Thanks for the chart you just proved my point. House senate and himself.

Toasty you are again reffering to a small minority. We are talking about the masses here. The average couple has kids. 2 I believe

Aren't they fighting about there rights? So give it to them and call it a union. Case closed.

[toasty]

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Toasty you are again reffering to a small minority. We are talking about the masses here. The average couple has kids. 2 I believe

Well, if we were to allow gay marriage, we'd be talking about a small minority of couples there, too, with most couples still being one man and one woman. Why make an exception, if you will, for the minority of couples that don't have children and not extend the same courtesy to couples that happen to have found love with someone of the opposite sex?

Miro you live in dream world. Do you know that people that refer to the constitution are possible terrorists. I would love to debate the constitution with you but this is the gay thread.

As someone that actually uses the Constitution regularly in my day to day work, I would LOVE to see this. PLEASE start a thread to debate the Constitution -- I'm BEGGING you.

[floridaorange]

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Just because a husband and wife do not have kids does not mean they do not want to have kids. Many simply cannot.

[Miroslav]

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Miro you live in dream world. Do you know that people that refer to the constitution are possible terrorists.

Yeah, this whole thing about the three branches of government here in the USA is just a "dream world" that I made up - the president can just bypass the Constitution and make anything a "Federal issue" at will, just like North Korea.

Christ, what is it with you? It's one thing to take issue with opinions, but you'd deny the existence of gravity if it didn't match up with your obtuse statements. You really take this whole shameless arrogance thing to another level...

I would love to debate the constitution with you but this is the gay thread.

You don't even have the sense recognize that this "gay thread" you started and the whole Constitution issue happens to practically be one and the same - it IS a Constitutional issue, Einstein. That is why the California Supreme Court is involved.

Thanks for the chart you just proved my point. House senate and himself.

If you think it does, then that just proves your lack of understanding of the chart.

[bobjuice]

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Marriage was formed by the Church from holy martimony.

and "the church" is relevant to the 21st century......because???

[floridaorange]

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^well for one, the world would be much less literate and mortality rates would be much higher in many countries if churches had not opened schools and hospitals.

Church may not have been relevant in your life but that does not take away from the fact that churches are often times the first and/or biggest organizations to provide aid after natural disasters as well as economic disasters as well.

Churches are businesses too, and while many are not run well, there are a great deal of churches that are run well and keep very focused on providing their community with all kinds of different out-reach that perhaps the government is failing at.

My point is, you can't just focus on the Sunday morning aspect of a church, they are also businesses and non-profit organizations that help people locally all over the world.

[runningman]

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look at all the straight bashing going on here.. I'm the only one who put a stance..

Constitution thread coming.

[floridaorange]

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^feeling your oats aren't you

Obama sums up his view pretty clearly and efficiently in this 1:43 response:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73oZ_pe1MZ8

[mtguru]

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It's been well documented that Obama believes marriage is between a man and a woman and that he is not in favor of gay marriage, but also believes to prohibit somebody who cares about another person, it just seems to me that's not what America's about. So if people are looking for the federal government to legalize gay marriage it ain't going to happen. Not with this President or the Republican Supreme Court. If you look at today's ruling the one vote for repeal was a Democrat.
I will never argue over someones religious beliefs, but if you take religion out of it are you still against it? Are you ok with civil unions? I have two friends one who is gay and the other is a lesbian and I see them as equals, no different than you and I. One of them was married during the open period and the other was not and at this point will never will (I think that will change at some point). Is the word Marriage such a religous term or is it a term Love.

[D.Williams]

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Why don't we call all marriages unions and just be done with the word marriage or would that offend you as well in your black & white world?

[superdave]

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Gay marriage lost today in California. I was surprised the California court didn't overturn the people, but glad they didn't because I don't like activist courts. Btw, isn't California supposed to be this cool, progressive state? Guess not. Get over yourself Californians. You could learn something from the midwest.

I could care less about gay marriage being heterosexual. If gays want to marry then, I'm not against it. Like Chris Rock said "Let them be miserable like the rest of us". I don't like this issue simply because it distracts us from more important issues. We should focus on the economy, terrorism and global warming.

[D.Williams]

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I don't like this issue simply because it distracts us from more important issues. We should focus on the economy, terrorism and global warming.

Totally agree with you there...