you know what's astonishing?

[runningman]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

would you prefer Kissinger who is running your Military? Or is that tin hat stuff?

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

I don't what your documentaries are like in the States but in the UK they don't tend to play "Kum ba yah, my Lord, Kum ba yah". DJ Shadow Mutual Slump is always a popular one with the BBC whether its Cot Death, Gun Crime, or even X Factor

DJ Shadow Mutual Slump is always a popular one with the BBC whether its Cot Death, Gun Crime, or even X Factor

Chunky, here are a few documentaries (videos & 1 website) I think you may enjoy produced by Frontline, one of the most reputable broadcasting companies here in the States, just click on the title, hope you find them informative:

TRUTH, WAR, AND CONSEQUENCES
Oct. 9, 2003
90 MINUTES
FRONTLINE traces the roots of the Iraqi war back to the days immediately following September 11, when Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld ordered the creation of a special intelligence operation to quietly begin looking for evidence that would justify the war. The intelligence reports soon became a part of a continuing struggle between civilians in the Pentagon on one side and the CIA, State Department, and uniformed military on the other - a struggle that would lead to inadequate planning for the aftermath of the war, continuing violence, and mounting political problems for the president.

THE WAR BEHIND CLOSED DOORS
60 MINUTES - alt link
FRONTLINE examines the hidden story of what is really driving the Bush administration to war with Iraq. The investigation asks whether the publicly reported reasons--fear of Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction or a desire to insure and protect America's access to oil--are only masking the real reason for the war. Through interviews with well-placed sources in and outside of the administration, FRONTLINE unravels a story known only to the Washington insiders.

FAITH AND DOUBT AT GROUND ZERO
SEP. 03, 2002
120 MINUTES
Ground Zero in Manhattan has become a site of pilgrimage. Thousands of people visit the site, looking for consolation as they question the events of September 11. There is a profound quiet to their meditations. Starting here, FRONTLINE sets out on a quest to find out how peoples' beliefs-and unbelief-has been challenged, and how they are coping with difficult questions of good and evil, the face of God, and the potential for darkness within religion itself. From survivors who were pulled from the wreckage of the Twin Towers to the widow of a New York City firefighter; from priests and rabbis to security guards and opera divas; from lapsed Catholics and Jews to Buddhists, Muslims, and atheists.... FRONTLINE explores and illuminates the myriad of spiritual questions that have come out of the terror, pain, and destruction at Ground Zero.

Muslims
MAY. 09, 2002
120 MINUTES
The events of Sept. 11 left many Americans questioning how such atrocities could be perpetrated in the name of religion: specifically, the religion of Islam. Few Americans know much about Islam, yet it continues to be the fastest growing religion in the US today. What is Islam? What do Muslims believe in? And how does their faith shape their lives, identities and their political ideologies? FRONTLINE explores these and other questions in "Muslims," a special two-hour report that examines the fundamental tenets of Islam and the causes behind its current worldwide resurgence.Through interviews with dozens of ordinary Muslims from such diverse countries as Iran, Malaysia, Turkey, and the U.S., FRONTLINE illuminates the perspectives, conflicts, and tensions that are shaping today's Muslim world.

INSIDE THE TERROR NETWORK
JAN. 17, 2002
60 MINUTES
The hijackers of September 11 led such outwardly ordinary lives that they moved through Europe and America virtually unnoticed. They plotted in broad daylight, weaving a web of terror from the simple routines of modern life. American flight schools taught them to fly, local banks helped them move money, libraries provided computers, and the Department of Motor Vehicles supplied essential IDs. Everywhere they went they blended in unnoticed and unsuspected. FRONTLINE traces the hijackers' movements across four continents, following clues they left behind to unearth the stories of the individuals inside Osama bin Laden's terror network.

Lastly: BBC's AMERICA'S DAY OF TERROR
On 11 September 2001 a series of attacks were launched on America. It was a day that many around the world would never forget.

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Most comprehensive list of legitimate documentation of September 11th can be found at East Carolina University's Library website:

Attack on America: Remembering September 11th

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Most comprehensive list of legitimate documentation of September 11th can be found at East Carolina University's Library website:

Source: Attack on America: Remembering September 11th

Academic Info: Terrorism Studies - September 11: (http://www.academicinfo.net/usa911.html).-Thorough list of links to news articles, official statements, and numerous other resources on the attacks and their aftermath.
BBC News: America's Day of Terror: (http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sta...day_of_terror/).
-Interactive guide to the attacks, including a timeline, eyewitness accounts, images, and audio/video files.

Building on Ground Zero: (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/).
-PBS Nova Web site analyzing the "precise causes of the Twin Towers' collapse."

CNN.com: Day of Terror: (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/tra...y.section.html).
-9/11 guide features a timeline, interactive map of the attacks, images, news stories, and multimedia.

Evergreen State College Hot Topics: Terrorist Attacks on the U.S., September 11, 2001 : (http://www.evergreen.edu/library/gov...t11/enter.html).
-A lengthy list of news and information Web links on September 11th and the aftermath, "pertaining to the attacks as they happened in the days immediately after the event".

Faith and Doubt at Ground Zero: (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/faith/).
-PBS Frontline Web site on the religious and spiritual implications of the September 11 attacks.

Inside 9/11: (http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...nel/inside911/).
-Companion web site to the August 2005 documentary from the National Geographic Channel. Features a 9/11 timeline, list of resources, and video clips of interviews.

Media Coverage of 9/11 and its Aftermath: A Bibliography: (http://www.au.af.mil/au/aul/bibs/9-11/9-11.htm).
-Lists books, articles and Web links. From the USAF Air University Library.

9/11: Debunking the Myths: (http://www.popularmechanics.com/scie...e/1227842.html).
-A special report from the March 2005 issue of Popular Mechanics, refuting many of the conspiracy theories raised about the September 11th attacks.

NIST and the World Trade Center: (http://wtc.nist.gov/).
-Reports and analysis concerning the collapse of the World Trade Center towers, from the National Institute of Standards and Technology.

Terrorism: Questions & Answers: (http://www.cfr.org/issue/135/).
-An excellent introductory source from the Council on Foreign Relations.

U. S. State Department International Information Programs: Identifying Misinformation: (http://usinfo.state.gov/media/misinformation.html).
-Debunks various conspiracy theories surrounding 9/11 and other events.

Urban Legends Reference Pages: Rumors of War: (http://www.snopes2.com/rumors/rumors.htm).
-Assesses the validity of various rumors and stories concerning September 11th and subsequent events.

Archives and Exhibits

Here is New York: (http://hereisnewyork.org/index2.asp).
-Online exhibit of over 5,000 images related to September 11.

September 11 Digital Archive: (http://911digitalarchive.org/).
-Online repository of e-mails, images, audio and video files, and first person accounts of 9/11.

September 11 Digital Collection: (http://www.interactivepublishing.net/september/).
-Archive of screenshots from over 230 news Web sites taken on September 11 and 12.

September 11 News.com: (http://www.september11news.com/).
-Includes images of Web sites on 9/11, newspaper front covers, and other images.

September 11, 2001 Digital Exhibit: Student Reactions: (http://digital.lib.ecu.edu/special/september11/).
-Project from Joyner Library Special Collections, East Carolina University, featuring essays written by ECU students at the time of the attacks, as well as a collection of images.

September 11, 2001, Documentary Project: (http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/collections/911_archive/).
-"The September 11, 2001, Documentary Project captures the heartfelt reactions, eyewitness accounts, and diverse opinions of Americans and others in the months that followed the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center, the Pentagon, and United Airlines Flight 93. Patriotism and unity mixed with sadness, anger, and insecurity are common themes expressed in this online presentation of almost 200 audio and video interviews, 45 graphic items, and 21 written narratives." Part of the Library of Congress' American Memory web site.

September 11 Web Archive: (http://september11.archive.org/).
-Digital archive of Web content related to 9/11. Includes governmental, charitable, US and International news sites, and analysis of how Americans used the Internet in the aftermath of the attacks.

Remembering the Victims

CNN.com: September 11, A Memorial: (http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/).
-Memorial lists of the victims, including photos and tributes from friends and family.

Families of September 11: (http://www.familiesofseptember11.org/home.asp).
-Non-profit organization for families of 9/11 victims. Includes news items, links to relief resources, and information on how to help.

Flight 93 National Memorial: (http://www.honorflight93.org/).
-Official web site of the planned memorial to be built in Shanksville, PA at the crash site of United Airlines Flight 93. Click on "The Story" for a brief account of the flight and list of passengers and crew.

National September 11 Memorial & Museum: (http://www.national911memorial.org/).
-Official web site of the planned memorial to be built at Ground Zero in New York. Includes a multimedia gallery and interactive timeline.

Pentagon Memorial: (http://memorial.pentagon.mil/).
-News, updates, and photos on the progress of construction.

September 11, 2001 Victims: (http://web.archive.org/web/200802070...mber11victims/).
-Archived web site featuring detailed victim lists, poems and songs, message boards, and information on how to help the families.

September 11th Victim Compensation Fund of 2001: (http://www.usdoj.gov/archive/victimcompensation/).
-Archived web site of official US government 9/11 compensation fund that ceased operations in December 2003..

White House Commission on Remembrance: (http://www.remember.gov/).
-Features a special section on September 11th, which includes memorial lists of the victims, speeches by President Bush, and suggestions for remembering. Click on "Toll of Terrorism".

The Perpetrators

Congressional Joint 9/11 Inquiry Final Reports:
-Released December 10, 2002 (PDF files).

Part One: Findings
Part Two: Recommendations
Additional Views of Senator Richard Shelby
Congressional Joint 9/11 Inquiry Hearings: (http://web.archive.org/web/200703181.../intelligcomm/).
-Archived web site containing reports and statements delivered before the 2002 joint House and Senate investigation of the September 11th attacks. Also available from the Federation of American Scientists.

Indictment of Zacarias Moussaoui: (http://notablecases.vaed.uscourts.go...cs/66826/0.pdf).
-July 2002 indictment of a suspected al-Qa'ida member for involvement in the September 11th attacks. The original indictment, issued in December 2001, can be found at the US Department of Justice Web site. More documents on this case can be found at the US District Court of Eastern Virginia.

Inside the Terror Network: (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/network/).
-PBS Frontline analysis of the September 11th plot and the inner workings of al-Qa'ida. Includes interviews, analyses, biographies of three of the hijackers, and links to a variety of articles and other documents.

Joint Inquiry into Intelligence Community Activities before and after the Terrorist Attacks of September 11, 2001: (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/911.html).
-Official 832 page report produced by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, and released in late July 2003.

Looking for Answers: (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...ows/terrorism/).
-Companion Web site to PBS Frontline documentary on the sources of Islamist extremism in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, and on the failure of US intelligence to stop the September 11th attacks. Includes interview transcripts, a collection of articles from the New York Times, and links to a sizable number of online readings.

National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States: (http://www.9-11commission.gov/).
-Official Web site of the bipartisan commission created in November 2002. Includes hearing transcripts, webcasts, press releases, interim reports, and the commission's final report.

9/11 Commission Report: (http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/index.html).
-Final report released in July 2004.

9/11 Public Discourse Project: (http://www.9-11pdp.org/).
-Web site on the current private efforts of the former 9/11 Commission.

Office of Inspector General Report on CIA Accountability With Respect to the 9/11 Attacks: Executive Summary: (https://www.cia.gov/news-information...t-summary.html).
-Declassified summary released in August 2007, along with a statement by CIA Director General Michael Hayden. The document itself is in PDF.

Responsibility for the Terrorist Atrocities in the United States, 11 September 2001: (http://www.fas.org/irp/news/2001/11/ukreport.html).
-Revised document released by the British government on November 14, 2001, that outlines the evidence implicating Osama bin Laden and al-Qa'ida in the events of September 11th. Original version was published on October 4, 2001.

Transcript of Usama Bin Laden Video Tape: (http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Dec2...0011213ubl.pdf).
-Official Department of Defense transcript of the bin Laden video made public on December 13, 2001.

For more information, please see our companion page: The War on Terrorism: Osama bin Laden and al-Qa'ida.

Coping With Events

After Sept. 11: Perspectives from the Social Sciences: (http://www.ssrc.org/sept11/).
-A collection of essays written by social scientists from around the world seeking to put the attacks into their broader context. Topics include globalization, fundamentalism, terrorism and democracy, and the future of international relations, among others. Includes a guide for teachers.

APA: Trauma: (http://www.apa.org/topics/topictrauma.html).
-Links to a wide variety of information on how to cope with 9/11 and other destructive events, from the American Psychological Association.

September 11: What Our Children Need to Know: (http://www.edexcellence.net/detail/news.cfm?news_id=65).
-Report from the conservative Fordham Foundation offering resources and suggestions for teachers, from a perspective critical of the NEA.

September 11th Perspectives: (http://neahin.org/programs/schoolsaf...er11/index.htm).
-Material for educators in teaching about 9/11 in the classroom, including lesson plans and additional resources. Provided by the National Education Association.

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[Miroslav]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^^^ LIES! All lies, I tell you!!!

my friends, do not look at any of this blasphemy. Instead, keep looking at the pictures of the hole mostly covered up by the spray of the fire truck, keep telling yourselves that "C ring" means "E ring", and keep looking at expert Youtube commentary on videos of "molten steel" dripping out of the near-freezing towers.

That is the way to strengthen your faith in the TRUTH!!

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^^^ LIES! All lies, I tell you!!!
That is the way to strengthen your faith in the TRUTH!!

I was going to look at them. However at the moment I'm yes watching runningman post on yes youtube But It should interest you particularly as you where interested in the witnesses. No scary music though and no spreadsheets

[YOUTUBE]j5FhQc-LJ-o[/YOUTUBE]

But i was getting to Florida's videos

[yesme]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

miro and florida, here is the thing, i'm willing to go thru the whole thing with you and debunk the governments line on everything that day.

but

1. dont assume that because some 9-11 researcher believes in one thing, that i do as well.

2. i wont get into any theory of what happened or who did it, most people have a hard enough time believing the government is lying to us.


3. i will be happy to have YOU leave this thread wanting a new investigation, but you have to be willing to go thru the information.

i will do this all, with only government reports/sites, and with any 9-11 conspriacy debunking sites/links that you can think of.

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

I must just be unlucky. The first video I went to was on Google Video and the first 2 had some scary music. I will check more tomorrow. I'm going to bed.

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^That may very well be true of my second post, but not my first post, although one of the video's was no longer available on the Frontline website so I went to the trouble of tracking it down on Google, where it was hosted by another online archive.

As for the music, some are more deliberate than others, and I am always critical of these shows when they use dramatic music, not just the video's RM has posted.

With regard to the second list of documents and videos, I have not viewed them, but they are backed by scholarly sources.

I'm going to finish watching RM's video later tonight.

cheers

[runningman]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Frontline could be the biggest propaganda show on TV. Are you kidding me Florida? Everything on that show is a lie.

[Shpira]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

that is true. Even I know that and I live in the UK lol

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

It may seem like plenty of posturing is going on, and of course one has to discriminate when they watch frontline, or any other journalism for that matter. But I assume Chunky will take the information with a grain of salt as well as further investigate presumably inaccurate information as he and other see fit. To simply disseminate everything Frontline reports as as propaganda is not only presumptuous but borderline egomaniacal, imo.

[runningman]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

no not at all. Frontline is lies. To think that is the truth is naive. That is like saying the mainstream is the truth. Frontline is the mainstream of the mainstream.

I will take independant media any day of the week over the corporate news.

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^There's still solid investigative journalism going on in several of those Frontline documentaries, but fine you disagree, at any rate, did you happen to see the post that follows?

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

FAITH AND DOUBT AT GROUND ZERO

In the past Genocide, Famine, War, Disease. People questioning where god was on 9/11. What about all the other times. What what where these people doing? looking at the world and seeing nothing at all until it was on their doorstep.

"We Where Being Reminded Of Our Own Mortality. The Biggest Buildings In The Biggest City In The Centre Of The Universe, I Speak As A New Yorker Now, Could Come Down, This World Will Come Down. Just The Buildings Being So Massive & Powerful, Gave Us The Illusion That We Where That Way To"