you know what's astonishing?

[res0nat0r]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

hes talking about the government, i think we've established that part already.

[trick12]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

If you think America was behind 9/11, you're a fool.

I feel better now.

Who is America to you?

America could be many different things

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

5.52

Two of the men have difficulty understanding the security questions. Helpful counter agents repeat them until they give the correct answers

Any one see a problem here

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Get this 4 minutes 47 "all the others are so called muscle hijackers"

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

That Michael Tuphey in the first video is a real piece of work. I hope there is something better in this video than the rhetorical bullshit at the beginning

edit check out 4.18

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

I love how certain outspoken members here try in earnest to completely delegitimized 9/11 and essentially suggest it was America's doings, and not Al Queda's.

If you think America was behind 9/11, you're a fool.

I feel better now.

You have actually done the same thing you accused runiningman of. Your post added nothing to the augment and calling people fools mite make you feel better but it but it doesn't really change anything. Let me remind you that it was you who posted a link to a story about Larry Silverstein arranging a controlled demolition on 9/11.

in·sti·gate (nst-gt)
tr.v. in·sti·gat·ed, in·sti·gat·ing, in·sti·gates
1. To urge on; goad.
2. To stir up; foment.

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

what beliefs did you throw away after you saw they were not your own fact based beliefs?

Don't flatter yourself so much yesme. You haven't caused me to throw out any information as of yet my friend.

[yesme]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

I love how certain outspoken members here try in earnest to completely delegitimized 9/11 and essentially suggest it was America's doings, and not Al Queda's.

If you think America was behind 9/11, you're a fool.

I feel better now.

what beliefs did you throw away after you saw they were not your own fact based beliefs?

[dig72]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^Everything? No

*The overarching theme? Yes.

I'd really like to know what you don't believe and why?

I've have had a real hard time believing just about everything and my reasons are many.

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

^Everything? No

*The overarching theme? Yes.




part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-B6c6xxXug

part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kVg9iaDdE0

part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-3ZOEXxdYg

part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eWq_7dnshA

[dig72]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

If you think America was behind 9/11, you're a fool.

Do you actually believe everything the government has told you, in regards to 9/11?

[floridaorange]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

I love how certain outspoken members here try in earnest to completely delegitimized 9/11 and essentially suggest it was America's doings, and not Al Queda's.

If you think America was behind 9/11, you're a fool.

I feel better now.

[Jenks]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

42 pages...

[yesme]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Here is a couple good reads for those who dont know what we are talking about, and maybe help to show reso why he always watches the same news shows.

http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/06/23/confirmation-bias/

another good read.....


http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...ryId=128490874

CONAN: Well, Brendan Nyhan is a health policy researcher at the University of Michigan. He recently published "When Corrections Fail: The Persistence of Political Misperceptions." That was in the June issue of the Journal of Political Behavior, and he joins us now from the studios of WUOM, Michigan Radio, our member station in Ann Arbor. Nice to have you with us today.

Mr. BRENDAN NYHAN (Robert Wood Johnson Scholar in Health Policy Research, University of Michigan): Thanks for having me.

CONAN: And when facts are readily available, why are they not enough to change people's minds?

Mr. NYHAN: Well, the problem is, you know, as human beings, we want to believe, you know, the things that we already believe. And so when you hear some information that contradicts your pre-existing views, unfortunately, what we tend to do is think of why we believed those things in the first place.

And, you know, so when, you know, we get these corrections, we tend to say I'm right, and I'm going to stick with my view. And the thing that my research, which is with Jason Reifler at Georgia State University, found is that in some cases, that corrective information can actually make the problem worse.

So some people who read Dana's article about immigration may actually have come away from it more strongly committed to the belief that crime has gone up along the border.

CONAN: And indeed are probably demanding his birth certificate.

(Soundbite of laughter)

Mr. NYHAN: That's right.

CONAN: This is a phenomenon described as backfire. You say it's a natural defense mechanism to avoid cognitive dissonance.

Mr. NYHAN: That's right. You know, it's hard, it's threatening to us to admit that things we believe are wrong. And all of us, liberals and conservatives, you know, have some beliefs that aren't true, and when we find that out, you know, it's threatening to our beliefs and ourselves.

And so what we think happens is that the way people, you know, try to resolve this in some cases is to, you know, buttress that belief that they initially held, and, you know, there's a long line of research showing results like this.

CONAN: And again, we'd like to think of our brain as something that's been trained in, you know, Cartesian logic, when in fact, our brain is sort of hard-wired to leap to conclusions very quickly.

Mr. NYHAN: That's right

[yesme]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Orlando is a haven for conspirators... some of my old buddies from HS are nucking futs when it comes to this crap... they didn't go to college either, hmmm.

I have a psychology degree, but I'll spare you the lengthy explanation as to how the above could be interpreted.

That is funny, dc is full of conspiracy theorists, matter of fact, i think something like 80% of the governments cases are/ have conspiracy in them....i.e. conspiracy to commit fraud, conspiracy to commit murder,etc,etc.

You see conspiracy's happen every second of every day, it's just our preconcieved notions and belief system tell us which ones we should believe.

Reso's preconcieved notions about people not being able to keep a secert(does he really know everyone in the world?), and our government not hurting it's own citizens will never allow him to look at the information in an unbiased way.

I'm glad you got a degree in psych florida, again that really means nothing about being open minded does it? so again, after much soul searching, you urself must have realized that some(99% as it would be stupid to believe on a planet with 6 billion people, you had an original thought) of your beliefs were passed onto you and that they were in correct.

WHAT BELIEFS DID YOU TOSS OUT AFTER YOU REALIZED THEY WERE FALSE?