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this crap pisses me off. Think I'll just stick to posting about music. F$&k politics and knobs that come with it.
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Originally posted by unomeAt least 5,000 civilians may have been killed during the invasion of Iraq, an independent research group has claimed. As more evidence is collated, it says, the figure could reach 10,000.
Iraq Body Count (IBC), a volunteer group of British and US academics and researchers, compiled statistics on civilian casualties from media reports and estimated that between 5,000 and 7,000 civilians died in the conflict.
Its latest report compares those figures with 14 other counts, most of them taken in Iraq, which, it says, bear out its findings.
Researchers from several groups have visited hospitals and mortuaries in Iraq and interviewed relatives of the dead; some are conducting surveys in the main cities.
Three completed studies suggest that between 1,700 and 2,356 civilians died in the battle for Baghdad alone.
John Sloboda, professor of psychology at Keele University and an IBC report author, said the studies in Iraq backed up his group's figures. "One of the things we have been criticised for is quoting journalists who are quoting other people. But what we are now finding is that whenever the teams go into Iraq and do a detailed check of the data we had through the press, not only is our data accurate but [it is] often on the low side.
"The totality is now producing an unassailable sense that there were a hell of a lot of civilian deaths in Iraq."
By Bob Graham, Evening Standard, in Baghdad
American soldiers in Iraq today make the astonishing admission that they regularly kill civilians.
In a series of disturbing interviews which throws light on the chaos gripping the country, GIs also confess to leaving wounded Iraqi fighters to die, and even to shooting injured enemy soldiers. They say they are frequently confronted by fighters dressed as civilians, including women.
Their response is often to shoot first and ask questions later, even when it means killing genuine civilians. Yesterday, US troops killed at least one man and injured three others during a demonstration in Baghdad by former Iraqi soldiers protesting at not being paid for two months. US troops first fired into the air and then into the crowd after the demonstrators began throwing stones and bricks.Comment
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Did you bother to check how many Iraq civilians died during the American campaign? Did you bother to check how many Iraq civilians died because American troops failed to provide safety? I mean, they are there to provide safety and stabilize the country, aren't they? Well, I knew you didn't...Originally posted by unome
I think the beheading is terrible and is not justified by anything, because it wasn't commited by Iraqis or rebels, but it was commited by terrorists (Al Quaeda). Let's just hope that not many people will "loose their heads" in Iraq and that things will at least start to get normal.We shall boldly dance, where no man has danced before..."Comment
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Well, I think that's probably better for all of us... :wink:Originally posted by unomeWe shall boldly dance, where no man has danced before..."Comment
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I agree fully and hope they're hunted down with a vengeance.Originally posted by MJDub
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Well, at least there is some justice in the world: we got the fucker that did it and one of his buddies in a raid today.
BURN IN HELL CAMEL FUCKER!!!!Comment
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what are you arguing about? you are comparing war casualties... the hell with it. it's not worth it to argue about this. the whole situation is a mess. and no matter who dies, whether it be Hussein, bin laden.. whomever. it isnt going to get any better. if i offended anyone with my earlier remarks, i deeply apologise. i do. i was upset at the news i had just seen, and went off without thinking 1st.Originally posted by brakadaDid you bother to check how many Iraq civilians died during the American campaign? Did you bother to check how many Iraq civilians died because American troops failed to provide safety? I mean, they are there to provide safety and stabilize the country, aren't they? Well, I knew you didn't...Originally posted by unome
I think the beheading is terrible and is not justified by anything, because it wasn't commited by Iraqis or rebels, but it was commited by terrorists (Al Quaeda). Let's just hope that not many people will "loose their heads" in Iraq and that things will at least start to get normal.Comment
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never mind, see it on CNN now..my how quickly things change..Originally posted by _evangelion_FM
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Just goes to show we have no clue what is really going on. What the fuck is going on over there???!!!Originally posted by FMComment
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Amen to that. I also noted that Bush could not remember his last name when he spoke, and called him "Paul" throughout his speech. One thing I can't stand is when he calls them "thugs" because, as a leader of a superpower, you should be able to use better words than "thug" all the time. :?Originally posted by _evangelion_
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Yep, you're right about that. Calling them "thugs" makes me think he either hasn't taken the time or is incapable of thinking of a different term for these people. Even though I'm a Bush supporter I will still readily admit that watching him speak is, at best, cringeworthy. How many times can he repeat the same couple phrases and basically say the same things in different words every time a camera is stuck in his face.Originally posted by Galapidate
My feelings on this whole situation are going south by the minute. I see nothing but more and more shit coming at least for the next year. :cry:Comment
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He's been basically doing that for the past 4 years...How many times can he repeat the same couple phrases and basically say the same things in different words every time a camera is stuck in his face.
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"Nowadays everyone is a fucking DJ." - Jack Dangers
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And god knows how long would it take him to remember a couple of new phrases. Maybe he'll learn a few new words for the next mandate, if he gets elected.Originally posted by FMHe's been basically doing that for the past 4 years... 
We shall boldly dance, where no man has danced before..."Comment
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this entire post has revolved around whether it is ok to treat your enemy as they treat you. if the US is claiming moral superiority as reasons for it liberation campaigns (or invasions, depending on your politics), then clearly, the answer is NO, no it is clearly not ok to toture prisoners even if some of them might have been involved in violent uprising.Comment
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Back on topic;
This is disgusting news and I feel for the man's family sitting waiting and knowing he would be executed.
As for the people who done it, well i'm glad they gunned them down but they were just cannon fodder anyway. Every leader of these "orginizations" should be found and publicly executed themselves and all there followers stoned to death in the streets!
One thing I can never figure out is these people saying that all westerners must get out of the mid-east or holy-land, but they are quite happy to live and work in america, the UK etc. so whats the deal with that?"..truth has a habit of marching on.."Comment
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