god vs. god MMV

[skahound]

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But how can you control every facet of your life in a world explained solely by science? Are you saying you have free will?

If so, how do you know you have free will?

I have free will to type this message right now. I have free will to hit the submit button. Now if you want to dive in a little deeper and explain the processes by which those things occur once I make the conscious decision to act then we can discuss science. There was a recent, very large, study published on the brain and why we do the things we do. It deals with how many impulses our brain has to wade through at any given nanosecond and why some impulses succeed and others don't. You should check it out; it's definitely worth the time to read. Or you could not read it I guess and say that you didn't because your god planned for you not to, your choice I guess.

And what's all this talk about free will anyway? Who really cares? Why not just live? Why not just be happy to be on this planet? Why waste your time trying to give credit to someone or something that you will probably never come to realize?

[Miroslav]

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And what's the matter with thinking that? I do control every facet of my day, from the time I wake up to whether I drink coffee to what I watch on t.v. at night. To say that someone has written/planned out that on Thursday May 3, 2007 at 8:45pm I would be sitting on a red chair in the family room of my home in Orlando, Florida watching 'The Office' on NBC in high definition no less and that I would pause the DVR at precisely 8:46pm in order to get a glass of unsweetened iced tea is beyond absurd.

But how can you control every facet of your life in a world explained solely by science? Are you saying you have free will?

If so, how do you know you have free will?

[skahound]

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Atheists want to think they are the boss of their lives.

And what's the matter with thinking that? I do control every facet of my day, from the time I wake up to whether I drink coffee to what I watch on t.v. at night. To say that someone has written/planned out that on Thursday May 3, 2007 at 8:45pm I would be sitting on a red chair in the family room of my home in Orlando, Florida watching 'The Office' on NBC in high definition no less and that I would pause the DVR at precisely 8:46pm in order to get a glass of unsweetened iced tea and use 1 packet of Publix brand artificial sweetener is beyond absurd.

[skahound]

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most of you don't live your lives in accordance with the consequences of such a conclusion.

Have you lost your mind? Are you saying that because I'm an atheist that I live a life that's full of evil and wrong-doing? I beg to differ. At least I'm not out killing legitimate doctors because my "faith" tells me that what they practice is wrong therefore they deserve to die. I'm also not out strapping C4 to my chest and walking through crowded markets, trains, and nightclubs because my "faith" tells me that I'll enjoy 30 some-odd virgins upon my ascension to the heavens. And last time I checked I wasn't declaring land as my possession to which I had no rightful ownership. I also don't go about my day telling people how they should live their life because what they may do may clash with my "faith" and what a man in a suit and tie tells me to believe on Saturday or Sunday.

Now, explain to me what these "very basic things" are of which you speak. And what's your basis? Are they "very basic" to you? Your religion? Your god? Lest we not forget that you're an atheist as well. Do you believe in the polytheism of the Greeks or the Romans? No? Ok, then you're an atheist by their standards.

And you're right, I know that answers to all questions are found in science somewhere. Everything has an explanation; there are some things that we have yet to discover the answer to though.

Let me ask you about your god. Have you seen him/her/it? Will you ever? If and when you do will you be able to prove it? No, I didn't think so. You waste your time and precious resources believing in something that no one will ever be able to prove actually exists. Why?

[Miroslav]

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^^^ But what if you can't find the answer?

Ah, atheism...what a grand delusion! You atheists like to think you're free from that "crutch" of faith. And yet you're not very different in your inability to answer some very basic things...

(...such as why we and everything around us has come to exist; do we have free will, how is free will even possible in a purely science based world; what is the "meaning" or nature of our feelings - i.e., can you even have love and happiness in a purely science based world, and if so what does it mean...)

...and so you just basically say to yourselves "even if I personally can't explain it, it's all there...in the Scientific Method....somewhere..."

And even if you really believe that pure science says all there is to say about age-old human phenomena such as, say, "love"...most of you don't live your lives in accordance with the consequences of such a conclusion.

Are you sensing the irony here?

Through the very process that leads them to believe that they have opened their eyes and separated themselves from the blind faith followers, atheists end up demonstrating that they are just as much "bound" by a faith as everyone else.

[skahound]

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Faith, schmaith. Things happen that you can't explain so you just throw your hands in the air and give credit to some guy that people wrote about post-mortum? If there's something that I can't explain, and it intrigues me that much, then I actively seek to find the answer.

[Localizer]

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I believe in the God, Thor - he will smite you with his thunder hammer for +10 damage. That will get me +5 skill points into the underworld where I can have a hydra mount.

[unkownartist]

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exactly, mho is that it is good for some people and it is bad for others, tbh i,ve seen people turn there life around by turning to there bfaith and thats all cool in my eyes, but what i dont agree with is the church indoctering young kids from an age where they are easily manipulated into believing things when they are to young to know the difference between right and wrong, this is exactly what happened in my case

[asdf_admin]

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It will either strengthen your view, or shatter it.

[unkownartist]

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dom i judge people as i find them as a person it doesnt matter what u believe in or whatever, if i get on with someone then i get on with someone and thats it basically, my best fried is a serious follower goes to chapel every sunday and @ easter/christmas etc etc, when someone tries to force feed u there views ( and i,m not just talking about religeon here ) there will always be someone who dissagrees with that view, i take it as just part of life

[asdf_admin]

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i agree red1. It is your choice and I respect that fully. I have a huge issue with faith stating someone will go to hell for not believing. It is as if they are stating the words of God as they were God. herm. It is not my duty nor obligation to judge, it is my Lords.

[unkownartist]

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here is the thing about faith that some people fail to realize. faith is a mere choice, you choose to believe. It is not for everyone, I have had things happen in my life that I can not logically explain and those actions have brought me closer to my faith. it was not because I was raised, but because one day I had something happen to me, and since I have decided I will carry that to my grave.

yea dom i can understand that totally but my "faith" was forced apon me from a young age and i just didnt wanna be part of something i didnt want to do, i have made my choice in the exact same way u have made ur choice, its each to there own m8

[asdf_admin]

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here is the thing about faith that some people fail to realize. faith is a mere choice, you choose to believe. It is not for everyone, I have had things happen in my life that I can not logically explain and those actions have brought me closer to my faith. it was not because I was raised, but because one day I had something happen to me, and since I have decided I will carry that to my grave.

[unkownartist]

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When you think about the world, galaxy, the universe you get the point...have you ever thought that possibly there may be something out there that is bigger than you (a human)? Atheists like to be their own God so that they feel in charge of their lives. When you really think about it, its not out of the realm of possibility that something bigger than you like a "god" designed this whole thing and is out there.

Do we (humans) have the capacity to grasp it fully? Not at all, but that does not mean its impossible or cannot exist. Atheists want to think they are the boss of their lives.

i,m athiest but u say i like to be my own god ? i dont like to be my own god as u said, i was brought up as a catholic and my experiences from a very young were that i was being force fed views that didnt seem relevant for me and also being forced to do things i didnt really want to do i.s. things like choir practice and stuff like that, to me all religeons are about control and i draw that from my own experiences, of course there is something bigger than us and i would say its another lifeform of some kind or even the vastness of space but i wouldnt say that somewhere out there there is a heavenly being watching our every move blah b lah blah for me when u die u die and the only place u goto is a coffin then the ground, ur spirit ( lmao @ spirit ) doesnt suddenly decide to leave the body and seek out the heavenly place or whatever, people have a right to believe in what they want to believe imo so i,m not anti "follower" or whatever imo u have to respect other peoples views etc

[asdf_admin]

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yep. you could. very good point. is there any point to life, but to live?