Pataky Pal does exist

[geoffgulley]

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ask any jew and they'll tell you (for the right amount of money... joke) that the bible (old testament) was basically written to scare the shit out of them and make them fly right (or forget they were stuck in a desert forver)... funny, you see christians interpretating the old testament (like sean said, by jews for jews) but never see jews interpretating the new testament now do you?






...and yes, i stole most of that from lewis black.... who's jewish.... tada!

[thesightless]

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im sorry im getting testy, but you keep telling us you will give fact, and yet, we still wait. nothing you have written can be proven or disproven, yet pretty much 99% of science can be proven. and that disproves essentially all the major tenents of all religion.

for instance.
we have found frozen corpses in north eastern europe of so called cavemen, we test thier bones and tissues and can prove that they are indeed human or an offshoot of the homo- genus. i.e. not homo sapien, but as close as evolution got them. we can look at thier DNA and then look at our dna, and verify the similarities.
we can and have proven it took millions of years for the earth to form.
we also have proof that life existed before adam and eve in DINOSAURS. we have thier bones, their DNA, and more.

[thesightless]

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and just because a group of JEWS, yes jews, not the church of christ or catholics, or muslims, wrote this

Gen 1:16 And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

doesnt mean it happened.

here.
i gave birth an hour ago.

is this true? nope. but it is written.

facts, not quotes from a work of fiction.

[toasty]

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I have researched the Bible and it's claims for several years now. I study constantly. I often spend 2-5 hours a day studying. I am in search of the truth.

Do you study anything else? Seriously, that's like listening to me tell you that I'm the Messiah and reading a book that I wrote to support my position.

and Alaska is not considered part of the earth

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that this should have had a wink or a smiley face after it, but if you're serious, please, please elaborate.

[toasty]

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One can not deny these are factual staements. We know that the stars are used for signs, days, and years. The "lights in the firmament of heaven" do give light upon the earth. The greater light (the sun) does rule the day, and the lesser light (the moon) does rule the night. These statements are self evident.

Actually, you can easily debate the accuracy of those statements. The fact that the sun, moon, and stars all exist does not mean that the authors of the Bible were correct in giving God the credit. Their existence only proves that the Bible's authors were looking around and trying to give some meaning to the things they saw in the world around them.

Could the creation of the earth, sun, moon and stars be divinely inspired? Sure. But just the fact that they are there doesn't prove anything -- and the fact that the Hindus evidently got it wrong doesn't prove that the Bible must necessarily be right.

Logic just doesn't flow that way. It just doesn't.

[cowardly dj]

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agreed, but that isn't a fact though... that is only a judgement with no provable answer. backing up toasty's comments; religion is based on faith, not fact.


the sun shines at night in alaska, btw.

I refer you to the answer I gave to toasty's comment

and Alaska is not considered part of the earth

[cowardly dj]

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The problem that has plagued these threads in the past, though, is that matters of faith are based upon, well, faith -- not fact. By their nature, facts elude them.

I agree with you in part. It is true that most people can not tell you why they believe God exists. IMO if a person can not tell you why God exists without evidence consisting of more than the statement(s) "He just does", or "because I have faith that He does" then I will stand firm in saying that is not faith at all. That is wishfull thinking.

If you follow this thread for a while,because it will take some time for me to outline all that I find to be factual about God, then you will, at a minimum, understand why I know God exists. My faith is not a blind faith in saying He just exists. I have researched the Bible and it's claims for several years now. I study constantly. I often spend 2-5 hours a day studying. I am in search of the truth.

I assure you that anyone who can not tell you why God exists has not done very much research and is probably one of those "sunday only" religious people.

Stick around and I will show you why I know He exists and it is not on blind faith.

[tiddles]

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CDJ, I don't think the argument is whether or not there is a God - I think most of us would agree in the existance of a higher power in some form or fashion - but my problem has always been with the idea that the Judeo-Christian God is the only God. I asked you a question in another post but never got a response, I'll just cut and past rather than retyping the whole thing:

You say you have proof - irrefutable proof - that the God of the Christian Bible is the one true God and all others are false idols. That's great - really, I'm happy to hear it. So you have your Word of God, you study and pour over this Word, you live your life based on this Word and, as far as I can tell from a house music message board, you live a good, fruitful, happy life. And at the end of your days hopefully you will pass feeling that you have lived a long, full, good life and proceed into the hereafter confident that you followed the right path.

Now I'd like you to meet Frank. He's a member of a small tribe hidden deep in the Amazon rainforest, totally secluded from the "modern" world. He lives in a handcrafted hut with his family among a number of other handcrafted huts filled with other families that make up his village. These people have never heard of Jesus, Noah, Issac, Enos, Judas, the whole gang - they have no idea what Sodom is, couldn't even begin to find Jerusalem on a map and haven't the slightest clue who God the Father is. They do believe in a divine order though and have an equally elaborate and detailed system of beliefs as any other organized religion. Frank has his Word of his God, he studies and pours over this Word, lives his life based on this Word and it is a good, fruitful, happy life. At the end of ol' Frank's days he is filled with the certainty that he lived a long, full, good life and proceeds into the hereafter confident that he followed the right path.


Frank's case is not some hypothetical situation here. Millions, if not billions of people throughout history have been a believer in something other that your version of The story - they lived a honest, hard working, devotional life. They raised a family, guided their children to be honest, hard working, devotional people and were laid to rest feeling that they were faithful followers of their version of The story. They did not worship your God (according to you the one and ONLY one true God) but the God they did worship filled them with the same joy and happiness, directed them to live just as honest and good a life, and supplied them with the same peace of mind and spirit that you enjoy. Yet according to you they are all.....wrong?

[speciale]

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what does zangerbob mean?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=zangerbob

[Huggie Smiles]

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what does zangerbob mean?

[speciale]

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I am not questioning God's existence but a lot of what is written in the Bible are just stories.

[cowardly dj]

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BSULLY 828

I am aware that the entire argument here is not centered around the existence of God. However there are some here who do not think He exists.

In order to understand why God is the only true and living God you have to understand the entire picture from creation to the coming judgement. If God exists then did He do what the Bible says He did? What about the other gods who claim to exist and be "the" god? Well to answer that you have to take what the Bible claims God did and then what the other god claims was done and weed out the facts form false claims.

Other religious books contain theories of the sky above that were prevalent in the times they were written

I will give an example. Lets put Gods claim of the sun and moon next to the Hindus claim, using the Vedas, sacred Hindu texts.

Hindu:

"the moon is approximately 150,000 miles higher than the sun and shines with its own light...the earth is flat and triangular...earthquakes are caused by elephants shaking themselves under it"
We know that the moon is not higher than the sun, it does not shine with its own light, the earth is neither flat nor triangular and I would like someone to tell the relatives of the thousands of victims who died in the tsunami that elephants shaking themselves caused the earthquake that in turn caused the tsunami.

God:

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days and years:
Gen 1:15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made the two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

One can not deny these are factual staements. We know that the stars are used for signs, days, and years. The "lights in the firmament of heaven" do give light upon the earth. The greater light (the sun) does rule the day, and the lesser light (the moon) does rule the night. These statements are self evident.

I ask you how many mistakes it takes to disprove a claim? One? Two? Five? Ten? If a text claims to be from a god then it should not contain any false teachings. Is that an agreeable statement?

Does this prove that Gos exists? To many it does not but it does give you a comparison and an example of how to prove or disprove a claim. Just use facts.

[thesightless]

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type away brother.i need to hear this. and if this turns out to be some stupid digweed is god joke, im gonna hold a satanic worship meeting on your front lawn every friday night at 11PM.

[cowardly dj]

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You know what I meant about the sun.

[cowardly dj]

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not avoiding anything... been at the doctor