pit bulls

[thesightless]

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pitbulls are dangerous animals and they should not be allowed as pets.

this drives me nuts.

pit bulls, and im speaking for 99.99999999999999% of them on the planet, are actually very tame and friendly when treated as any other dog, being raised in a social atmosphere. any animal adjusts to its enviornment. when raised properly, they are nearly harmless. its the fucking assholes who treat them poorly, raise them to be aggressive, and fight them that are the problem. i could take a poodle and raise it to fight dobermans if given time.

this also applies to german shepards, rottweeilers, and dobermans and dalmations. all dogs with poor reputations b/c certain assholes think they can raise an attack dog.

[asdf_admin]

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^^^ you failed. You trust the public to do the right thing. Last time I checked we are far from that kind of society. It only takes a few to fuck it up for the rest. The chances are just too high.

[AntonyM]

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Pits are fine dogs
just ask any postal delivery person

[asdf_admin]

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That is the sad thing ... they probably are.

[rubyraks]

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I have quite a few friends who have pit bulls and they are some of the sweetest most loving dogs I've met. sadly it's the damn owners who train the dogs as fighters that deserve death. What society needs those kind of useless hate-mongering violent people?


...nice first post by the way, may I suggest you're next one be music-related...

[thesightless]

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nah, make yer next post about jewish attorneys in ny and how they are ruining society.

[rubyraks]

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there are plenty of waspy attorneys around here doing their own damage as well...maybe even more

[thesightless]

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[KinKyJ]

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this drives me nuts.

pit bulls, and im speaking for 99.99999999999999% of them on the planet, are actually very tame and friendly when treated as any other dog, being raised in a social atmosphere. any animal adjusts to its enviornment. when raised properly, they are nearly harmless. its the fucking assholes who treat them poorly, raise them to be aggressive, and fight them that are the problem. i could take a poodle and raise it to fight dobermans if given time.

this also applies to german shepards, rottweeilers, and dobermans and dalmations. all dogs with poor reputations b/c certain assholes think they can raise an attack dog.

99% spot on! Dogs (like humans actually) are a product of their environment. Or like my sis (a vet) puts it: dogs aren't born crazy or agressive, they're made crazy or agressive.

However, there's still a part of their personality which is determined by the race. German Shepards for example tend to get agressive when they get older.

But that doesn't justify calling all pitbulls killers (like you shouldn't call all muslims intollerant agressive fucks, wink @ sean). A friend of mine owns one and it really is a friendly dog.

I agree with mark: round up the owners who train (read: fuck up and abuse) their pitbulls and smash their testicles with a hammer!

[mark trench]

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mnj

[mark trench]

Re: pit bulls

pitbulls are dangerous animals and they should not be allowed as pets.

sad another person who believes everything hes told to believe, bet your a sun reader, loser

mark trench

[jarble187]

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^^^^

[toasty]

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pits are just like other dogs -- if you train them to be violent, they'll be violent. If you train them to be friendly, they'll be friendly. The thing with pitbulls is that they are extremely strong and have jaws like vises, so when they're mean, it's a serious problem. You can train a chihauhau to attack everything that moves, but it isn't a big deal because you can send it across the room with a flick of your leg.

Properly trained, though, there's no good reason why a pit can't be a loving and gentle pet.

[KinKyJ]

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sad another person who believes everything hes told to believe, bet your a sun reader, loser

mark trench

They don't have The Sun in the US, so Fox gazer might be more applicable in this case

And oh, common policy here is to make your case with arguments instead of insults like "loser". We call each other names all the time on this board, but we also respect other members. Now go wash your mouth with bleach, pull down your pants and assume the position on my knee...

[Miroslav]

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I'm on the fence about this...I've seen websites by both sides throwing out statistics on both sides of the argument, so it's hard to know what to trust. But I have a question for you folks who are so clearly confident that pit bulls are not more harmless than the average dog: where do you get your certainty from?

The most compelling data I have seen so far comes from a report conducted by some MDs and stats PhDs commissions by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). They basically used several hundred historical dog attack cases between 1979 and 1998 as documented primarily by the Humane Society. It's an interesting read.

http://www.cdc.gov/ncipc/duip/dogbreeds.pdf

These guys are not going to be as stupid as to make some gross oversimplification; as with any study, there are many limitations that cloud the picture. They point out the obvious issues that data can be incomplete and entail some selection bias. They also point out that there are not truly reliable numbers for the relative proportion of dogs in the general dog population at all times. They also point out that segmenting the data into certain smaller time frames can produce results where certain other dog breeds were on top in terms of fatalities.

Nevertheless, some of their data does suggest that there may be breed-specific attack propensities involved with pitt bulls and rotts. Here is some to get you pit bull fans fuming:

"As in recent years, Rottweilers were the most commonly reported breed involved in fatal attacks, followed by pitbull-type dogs."

"...Despite these limitations and concerns, the data indicate that Rottweilers and and pit bull-type dogs accounted for 67% human DBRF [dog bit-related fatalities] in the United States between 1997 and 1998. It is extremely unlikely that they accounted for anywhere near 60% of dogs during that same time period in the United States during that same period and, thus, there appears to be a breed-specific problem with fatalities."

Adapted from Table 1:
Breeds of dogs involved in human dog bite-related fatalities (DBRF) in the United States between 1979 and 1998. Death-based approach of counting most frequent purebreds and crossbreds involved in 7 or more human DBRF:

Purebred:
Pit bull-type 66
Rottweiler 39
German Shepherd Dog 17
Husky-type 15
Malamute 12
Doberman Pinscher 9
Chow Chow 8
Great Dane 7
Saint Bernard 7
Crossbred:
Wolf-dog hybrid 14
Mixed-breed 12
German Shepherd Dog 10
Pit bull-type 10
Husky-type 6
Rottweiler 5
Alaskan Malamute 3
Chow Chow 3
Doberman Pinscher 0
Saint Bernard 1
Great Dane 0
total # 244
# deaths for which breed was known 238