Immigration Reform!?

[88Mariner]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

American families often are net tax payers during working age and net tax takers (benefits exceeding taxes) during retirement. This is not the case for low-skill immigrant households; in these households benefits substantially exceed taxes at every age level. Consequently, low-skill immigrant households impose substantial long-term costs on the U.S. taxpayer. Assuming an average adult life span of 60 years for each head of household, the average lifetime costs to the taxpayer will be nearly $1.2 million for each low-skill household for immediate benefits received minus all taxes paid.
As noted, in 2004, there were 4.5 million low-skill immigrant households. With an average net fiscal deficit of $19,588 per household, the total annual fiscal deficit for all of these households together equaled $89.1 billion (the deficit of $19,588 per household times 4.54 million low-skill immigrant households). Over the next ten years, the net cost (benefits minus taxes) to the taxpayer of low-skill immigrant households will approach $1 trillion.

http://www.heritage.org/research/immigration/SR14es.cfm

Don't normally read much from Heritage (i stick to CATO, preferably), but that raises my eyebrow to something I had not considered earlier....

[Miroslav]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

wow its america you can sue whoever you want. thats why they don't get rid of them.

In America, most employment in the private sector is "at will". That means that you can walk any time you want and they can make you leave whenever they want. They can't make you leave for discriminatory reasons (race/sex/orientation/etc.), but they can totally make you leave for financial reasons. And they routinely do - that's why all those American manufacturing jobs are overseas now. And if you're a Mexican immigrant who got canned, the burden will be upon you to prove that the company fired you because you're a Mexican.

[beanzncheez]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

You hop the border illegally then you should pay the price.

[KinKyJ]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

wow its america you can sue whoever you want. thats why they don't get rid of them.

True, but I doubt that Pancho can hire better lawyers than a company can. That said, how about that data?

[hansh20]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

Just because Bill Gates is rich doesn't mean he is an authority on economics.

He made it big with a technology company. He's a good business person, for sure. But does that make him an economist? Hardly.

you dont need to be a producer to know about music right?, so in the same way you dont need to be an economist to know about economics. i can asure you hes not going to say that just because he thinks so, besides im pretty sure he has a good economics team on microsoft, he knows everything he says in public will affect the market, so he wouldnt talk about something hes guessing about.

[emuler]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

You have actual data to prove that? I mean, if I was hiring illegals, I'd be thinking of costs and toss the mofo as soon as he'd be costing me one cent more.

wow its america you can sue whoever you want. thats why they don't get rid of them.

[KinKyJ]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

you do know as each day goes by more companies pay the necessary wages when the illegal aliens get citizenship or green card, even when that happens they keep their jobs and I don't see any americans really competing for those jobs they just don't care for them and whine about em.

You have actual data to prove that? I mean, if I was hiring illegals, I'd be thinking of costs and toss the mofo as soon as he'd be costing me one cent more.

[emuler]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

Those Americans would work those jobs if you raised the wage you are willing to pay. But why would you bother?

you do know as each day goes by more companies pay the necessary wages when the illegal aliens get citizenship or green card, even when that happens they keep their jobs and I don't see any americans really competing for those jobs they just don't care for them and whine about em.

[Miroslav]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

sry. double post.

[Miroslav]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

If I had a company that cleans windows I would definitely hire an American too bad they don't like to apply for that kind of shit.

Those Americans would work those jobs if you raised the wage you are willing to pay. But why would you bother?

[emuler]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

There are plenty of Americans who would do those jobs if they had the chance.

If I had a company that cleans windows I would definitely hire an American too bad they don't like to apply for that kind of shit.

[subterFUSE]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

Just because Bill Gates is rich doesn't mean he is an authority on economics.

He made it big with a technology company. He's a good business person, for sure. But does that make him an economist? Hardly.

[hansh20]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

after all this argue, i guess Bill Gates Knows a shit about economics and his playing with toys saying legal/illegal inmigrants is a very important factor in the economy in most of the states at the south of USA. obviously im being sarcastic, im just bringing this because if he said this on an interview recently is because he have a little more knowledge about national/international economics than we do.... dont you all think?. so please im not saying that he is in fact chuck nurris to know everything about it, but it is an important opinion to consider

[superdave]

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Just a questions for all the closed minded.. who is going to drive your cabs and clean your houses if you kick all the inmigrants out??? `re you going too?? face reality.. there`s inmigrants because you need them.. and let`s face another reality.. you`re not american.. your blood line came from an inmigrant ship.. yes.. your blood is from europe.. so don`t forget your inmigrant roots!!

Actually, you're being closed minded if that's your only view. And what you say is what is called a half or partial truth. You don't see the rest of the story where immigrants drain the regular tax payers and citizens by overrunning the schools and hospitals. And not all illegals are good people like you think. A sizable percentage of prisons in some states are illegal aliens. The citizens of America have to build and house illegal prisoners. And another fact is that illegals don't always do jobs that Americans won't do. There are plenty of Americans who would do those jobs if they had the chance. Those employers like illegals since they don't have to pay them minimum wage and payroll taxes to the government.

[subterFUSE]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

Just a questions for all the closed minded.. who is going to drive your cabs and clean your houses if you kick all the inmigrants out??? `re you going too?? face reality.. there`s inmigrants because you need them.. and let`s face another reality.. you`re not american.. your blood line came from an inmigrant ship.. yes.. your blood is from europe.. so don`t forget your inmigrant roots!!

We have immigrants because our economy is better than any other in the world.

If Mexico had a decent economy, then their citizens would prefer to stay home and work than leave their familes behind to earn a buck. The root of the whole problem is poor economic conditions outside of the USA. If that were fixed, border crossings would diminish.