Immigration Reform!?

[88Mariner]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

i love how immigrants are being held 'above the law'. i'm all for immigration to this county, LEGAL immigration, and particularly when the immigrant brings value to the U.S, as in skills, abilities, and knowledge. but not This type of immigration....

[gia powers]

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I know that someday I will be living in Canada.

I hate to say it, but me too, I think.

Two of the guys who were arrested in the Fort Dix conspiracy came across the Mexican boarder...the government is playing it off and passing on disinformation to the media.

Also, I think what happened to the boarder patrol agents is atrocious!

Sometimes, I can't even think about this issue. Living in Southern California, I see a lot of immigrants, I can't say illegal because I don't actually ask them, but it is assumed. But there are just as many whites and blacks running around here without health insurance too. Basically, the health care system in this country needs some serious repair. I am not in favor of government run health care, but clearly, something has to be done about the skyrocketing cost of insurance.

Anyways, please excuse me, a n00b rambling on....

[DIDI]

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I actually don't like mexican food, love asian!, particulary Thai and Vietnamese

[SyntaxTerror]

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Here's some reform!! We get your Mexicans etc, you get our Asians etc.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6566619.stm

That might deter some of the Mexicans crossing the border

Btw I'm not proud of what Australia does in this area.

You may not be proud of it, but I bet you're looking forward to some of those Asian restaurants getting turned in to decent Mexican restaurants. Something Australia could do with some more of

[DIDI]

Re: Immigration Reform!?

Here's some reform!! We get your Mexicans etc, you get our Asians etc.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6566619.stm

That might deter some of the Mexicans crossing the border

Btw I'm not proud of what Australia does in this area.

[Localizer]

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So, question, do you think what happened to the 2 border patrol agents was a fair deal??

You'd have to fill me in on what happened.

[Who?]

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So, question, do you think what happened to the 2 border patrol agents was a fair deal??

[apollo_1444]

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what do you mean a wetback is taking your jobs? thats just so stupid rofl... would you cut grass or wash dishes? (i know beenzncheez had to) dont be a retard, americans wouldn't do that shit. you know you wouldn't

they are however taking black people jobs if anything lol because blacks do almost the same thing... now wait a minute? blacks hate to work they are lazy!!

[Localizer]

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I am saying that the overall politics of our current administration have had an overall effect on all areas of our livelihood as Americans. The open border policy that seems to be in use at this time is not giving us protection in any way shape or form. There are tons of Americans who aren't working that would gladley work for minimum wage just to have a steady income again. But when corporations hire illegal immigrants to do the work instead because they can pay them less than the legal wage, they are responsible for promoting the decline of the American dream (that was why I included corporations in this rant).

And if immigrants are in our country, they should pay taxes - just like everyone else here needs to. If they are sending kids to our public schools, using our medicare, they should pay for it. All of us do. Because if they don't, then all the rest of us do pay for it with the higher medicare and schooling costs (insurance anyone?).

This is a cyclical problem - everything is connected.
And the cycle begins and ends with the leadership of the country. That is my point.

Woah dude, as Charles Wheelan, notable economist points out, the difference between us and socialist countries like France is that no matter what, we have jobs opening up everywhere. One of the main progressions economists have seen is that those who are purpordetly out of work, take up jobs in more hi-tech areas. Those Americans who say their jobs are being taken away, aren't necessarily looking for jobs elsewhere. Low level jobs don't require a multitude of specific skills; in fact they require minimal skills, which many Americans do have. It's that most refuse to take up the jobs that illegals do work at. Right here in Phoenix, we have American bums panhandling on the offramps of the freeways, yet somehow we have 3.9% unemployment in Arizona?

As for your second paragraph - I'm lost in how illegals can get medicare? They don't even qualify (remember, medicare is for those who are either elderly or have young, legal kids). In fact, this situation is reversed. There are many illegals that do pay payroll taxes (because SS and Medicare taxes are deducted from payroll and NOT from income tax) and actually never see the money that they put in.

I also don't buy into your notion of them in our public schools. Most of those kids will never see the light of college, but at least they'll get the chance to attemp to get to college. They'll still end up working the same crummy jobs that their parents work and if they were born in the states, they will pay the income tax and they will pay the state tax, etc...

I think the last paragraph is the only point we agree on.

[Who?]

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I am saying that the overall politics of our current administration have had an overall effect on all areas of our livelihood as Americans. The open border policy that seems to be in use at this time is not giving us protection in any way shape or form. There are tons of Americans who aren't working that would gladley work for minimum wage just to have a steady income again. But when corporations hire illegal immigrants to do the work instead because they can pay them less than the legal wage, they are responsible for promoting the decline of the American dream (that was why I included corporations in this rant).

And if immigrants are in our country, they should pay taxes - just like everyone else here needs to. If they are sending kids to our public schools, using our medicare, they should pay for it. All of us do. Because if they don't, then all the rest of us do pay for it with the higher medicare and schooling costs (insurance anyone?).

This is a cyclical problem - everything is connected.
And the cycle begins and ends with the leadership of the country. That is my point.

[KinKyJ]

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Ultimately if the Mexican government could fix their economy, then border crossings would diminish. When you consider that Mexico has access to oil, and 2 beautiful coastlines, there is no reason why they should be such an impoverished country.

too much siesta me thinks...

[Miroslav]

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We Americans all pay for this in the long run. We are told that having low paid workers keeps prices down - I don't see it. Inflation is still skyrocketing in food and other necessities, not going down or staying flat. All who are benefiting are the corporate directors with their large bonuses which only get larger as the years pass.

Take a look at economics 101 imo. Don't confuse nominal with real growth. Some controlled low level of inflation is "normal" for an economy - and significant deflation is not a good thing! Yes, inflation makes nominal prices go up, but wages generally grow too. Productivity has also increased dramatically over time. If you were to factor out inflation and look at the real prices of many goods over time, you will see that their prices have in fact dropped dramatically. This is not true of all goods, of course...but I think it's a fallacy to imply that by and large our buying power has plummeted compared to where it used to be. It hasn't...as I recall, it's about where it was.

As for whether cheap labor benefits us - sure it does. It benefits you directly in the cheap stuff you can get. It also benefits the corporate directors. All of which is not to say that it is all ethically or politically appropriate and that the process should be left unchecked.

[subterFUSE]

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Ultimately if the Mexican government could fix their economy, then border crossings would diminish. When you consider that Mexico has access to oil, and 2 beautiful coastlines, there is no reason why they should be such an impoverished country.

[apollo_1444]

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in my personal opinion i think we should close the borders once and for all we dont need this ex pats back i dont see the point of going north for a solution.

[subterFUSE]

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Look..... This whole immigration issue is so simple to understand.

It goes like this:

Democrats. Democrats want illegal immigration to continue unabated. Why? Because they want things in this country to change dramatically, and they think that by drawing in as many Mexicans as possible they can swing the voting majority into their favor... giving them control of both the executive and legislative branches.

Republicans. Republicans are torn between 2 extremes. Many people want the borders secured, and for the "illegal" immigration to end. They want immigrants to be able to come to the USA, but we want it done in an organized fashion which ensures safety and fairness. But the politicians are faced with the dilema of trying to please everybody. Most americans want the borders secured. But when you take any action which secures the borders, you alienate the latino community. So in the interest of garnering both the white and latino votes.... most republican politicians, Bush included, are trying to straddle the fence.

Frankly.... both sides are shameless.