Islam is good. media is not.

[Bululu]

Re: Islam is good. media is not.

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i mean you see things only as you want to see them and completely ignore any valid points that punch a hole in your argument...

for example



Miroslav really needs to go there to understand what he was discussing? The story about the woman who had her baby taken away is made up? Or the religious police there? That those things could exist there and have it labled 'a good muslim country' are two incompatible things. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

The fact is, despite all the muslims around the world who claim that 'its not the religion, its the country'...you don't see alot of these same muslims denouncing the countries that subjegate their women or run the country like a facist regime. There needs to be significantly more of the muslim community policing its own.

And how is it that all these random countries around the world, from the middle east to south asia, have had similar results under muslim rule? is it just coincidence that they all treat women or religious minorities the same way? that they beat lawyers in pakistan, have riots in jakarta, or punish a woman for being raped in saudi arabia? Even in dubai, where they are considered 'progressive', women are still FAR from being equal. And i've been there, so i'm not guessing on this one.

The western world, though flawed as it may be, is still better than muslim rule, any way you shake it. Rule of law, freedom of the press, democracy...these things are superior to the conditions in any muslim nation (as politically incorrect as that is to say nowadays...).

See and you claim things you don't even know, have you been to arab discussion forums ?? to your information this scandle of the lashed woman came out from arab discussion forums, or do you think a journalist from the LIBERAL DEMOCRATIC world went and came out with this story, what I am trying to say in case you didn't understand is that instead of sitting on your comfy sofa and watching your big screen LCD and criticizing the Islamic and Arab world (which I know still have a long way to go in some aspects of democracy and human rights) try to meet arabs or muslims, get to know them, try to discuss with them their priniciples, if you have money go visit countries like Egypt, Jordan, Morocco, Indonesia and see for yourself that they are still human beings like you, and even if you are coming from a diffrent culture you will still see down to earth people who will welcome you to their homes and put the best of what they have in their fridge for you to eat.

I have one simple anecdote, I used to live in Saudi Arabia when I was young due to father's work. and I used to go to an american institue to learn English , our teacher was from Las Vegas, very nice guy, and one of the students used to be a businessman ( with beard and dress , the kind of people that I am sure you would get scared off when you see one on TV) and this bearded guy used to invite us every weekend to his house and feed us the best food ever, this is an example of how people from two distant and completely diffrent cultures get together if we just open up a bit, the muslims have actiosn to take and the western world has to stop seeing anything muslim as dangerous.

And by the way who beats the lawyers, isn't it the Musharaf regime which the states backed and still backs now adays, isn't he the free world ally agaisnt extrimists in PAkistan ???? riots don't only happen in Indonesia fyi, riots happen in the states too, in France, Georgia, South Africa, and if you know that Dubai don't respect women, why did you go and visit ?? or did you work with them ??? if you really dont like them as you say avoid dealing with them for once. the Arab and Muslim world have their problems I know but it is nothing bigger than problems in India or in South America. By the way when I talk about the muslim and arab world I prefer to take examples of countries outside of the Arabian peninsula, countries such as Lebanon, Jordan, Algeria, Mororocco, Tunisia.

Now if you still think that I see the world in pink than what can i tell you thats your opininon.

[day_for_night]

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i mean you see things only as you want to see them and completely ignore any valid points that punch a hole in your argument...

for example

Miroslav my friend, have you ever been to Malaysia ?? ever worked there ??? ever saw documentaries about it ??? please do and then answer me.

Miroslav really needs to go there to understand what he was discussing? The story about the woman who had her baby taken away is made up? Or the religious police there? That those things could exist there and have it labled 'a good muslim country' are two incompatible things. No ifs, ands, or buts about it.

The fact is, despite all the muslims around the world who claim that 'its not the religion, its the country'...you don't see alot of these same muslims denouncing the countries that subjegate their women or run the country like a facist regime. There needs to be significantly more of the muslim community policing its own.

And how is it that all these random countries around the world, from the middle east to south asia, have had similar results under muslim rule? is it just coincidence that they all treat women or religious minorities the same way? that they beat lawyers in pakistan, have riots in jakarta, or punish a woman for being raped in saudi arabia? Even in dubai, where they are considered 'progressive', women are still FAR from being equal. And i've been there, so i'm not guessing on this one.

The western world, though flawed as it may be, is still better than muslim rule, any way you shake it. Rule of law, freedom of the press, democracy...these things are superior to the conditions in any muslim nation (as politically incorrect as that is to say nowadays...).

[Bululu]

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OK. This is going to sound harsh, but i don't care.

We should believe in God because there is a God?!?! What the fuck kind of circular logic is that? Thats like saying "you should believe in this magic celery stick. Its magic because I say so".
And how do you know there is a God, have you been chatting with him? Has he bestowed some divine insight to you that cofirms beyond a shadow of a doubt that he exists? If you answered yes to any of these questions, seek mental help.

The argument that air is free = there must be a God is about the stupidest thing I've heard in quite awhile. And I was just listening to Bill O'Riley on satellite radio the other day, so thats saying something...

Did they not educate you in your eutopic muslim country?


and to Bululululululu....you must have the best pair of rose-coloured glasses ever made.

Care to explain please???? forget about the god existing thing that I found stupid too.

[day_for_night]

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Lilsensa, we should believe in God because there is a God, its beautiful to acknowledge his power, I came to earth and found it ready for life with all the suitable ingredients such as H2O, oxygen...etc so you think all this happenned by chance...I think it was measured and put available for FREE...imagine air you breath was for money...wouldnt that suck if you didnt have change for some air to breath...think about it..

OK. This is going to sound harsh, but i don't care.

We should believe in God because there is a God?!?! What the fuck kind of circular logic is that? Thats like saying "you should believe in this magic celery stick. Its magic because I say so".
And how do you know there is a God, have you been chatting with him? Has he bestowed some divine insight to you that cofirms beyond a shadow of a doubt that he exists? If you answered yes to any of these questions, seek mental help.

The argument that air is free = there must be a God is about the stupidest thing I've heard in quite awhile. And I was just listening to Bill O'Riley on satellite radio the other day, so thats saying something...

Did they not educate you in your eutopic muslim country?


and to Bululululululu....you must have the best pair of rose-coloured glasses ever made.

[Steve Graham]

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I just don't see why we have to believe in a "God"....I don't consider myself an Atheist, but what is it all worth?? Why can't we just be good people because that's what we want to be?? What is wrong with that??....

because there is neither money nor power in believing that way

[robophobia_1]

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john digweed = god

[trick12]

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^^ How about this: I'll admit that Malaysia is a great place if you admit that the concept of state-sponsored "religious police" bullying people around is disturbing and wrong


Seriously...I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. For the record, I really don't think that all Muslim people are evil or that they deserve be persecuted in any way. I think everyone should be free to believe and live as they wish so long as it doesn't actively do harm to others.

but police and politics will always bring harm to others, its just to what party they belong...I personally know an islamic country where certain cops are hand picked and 1st rule is that they should not have mercy on others and not fear God,,,,this is 100% not islamic...so theres is no relation between all the crazy crimes from goverments and true muslims, or the teachings of the religion...you'll know a true Muslim when you meet one, and then you'll see the differrence..

[Bululu]

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^^ How about this: I'll admit that Malaysia is a great place if you admit that the concept of state-sponsored "religious police" bullying people around is disturbing and wrong


Seriously...I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. For the record, I really don't think that all Muslim people are evil or that they deserve be persecuted in any way. I think everyone should be free to believe and live as they wish so long as it doesn't actively do harm to others.

1000% with you on this, every individual is free to think or belive in what he/she wants to belive in, as long as it doesn't harm or disturb others.

[Miroslav]

Re: Islam is good. media is not.

^^ How about this: I'll admit that Malaysia is a great place if you admit that the concept of state-sponsored "religious police" bullying people around is disturbing and wrong


Seriously...I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. For the record, I really don't think that all Muslim people are evil or that they deserve be persecuted in any way. I think everyone should be free to believe and live as they wish so long as it doesn't actively do harm to others.

[Bululu]

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ok, I guess if I go and work there then I will see that the events in this article did not actually happen, right? Thanks for avoiding the issue at hand as usual.

I give up, I'm done...there's just no getting through to some of you guys...you could actually be watching religious police actually beat a woman right in front of you in some Islamic state and you'd be all like "there's nothing to see here...it's PERFECT HARMONY..."

You must be mister predicition, next time before I have to react to an event i'll come and ask you.
don't just read the news paper or watch TV and judge by them Miroslav, the Muslim countries aren't as evil as you see them, if you have some money I encourage you to come visit one of these countries and see by yourself how people live, you then would change your black or white vision of the muslim world.

[Troklo]

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@ Miroslav

I think the problem with thouse countries is that religion (in this case islam) has gotten mixed up with politics, hell we had the same things happenig in our countrys not so long ago and I donīt think Chirstianity is evil.
Like I said before State and Religion should be separated.

[lilsensa]

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The founders of our country did not base this nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all because they thought it had a nice ring to it.

I'm just saying, what is it all worth?? Seems to me like it's a matter of control.

[cyrus32]

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^^^ OK guys so let me get this straight. Follow me closely here:

1. Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Quatar, Afghanistan, United Arab Emirates, Syria, Iraq, and Iran (basically the whole Middle East) are all countries that are heavily dominated by Islam all the way through to their governments.

2. All of these nations have been documented from various sources as systematically restricting the rights of women, minorities, dissidents.

2. The oppression is generally done by socially established forces (i.e., government) that hold to a religious doctrine as a basis for their actions (i.e., Islam).

So now you're telling me that all of these similar trends of these Islamic-based governments are, in fact, not a true representation of mainstream Islam?

i am afghan, and in afghanistan back before all these stupid wars happened women had a lot of rights. then the taliban came and need to remind those they are not afghan, and really ruined the country besides that and the war with russia.

yes alot of those countries are dominated by islam, but again it is their government & culture not the religion.

[Morgan]

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Malaysia i'm sure is a great country. Compared to the rest of the Muslim counties i'm sure it is great, but have you ever tried to convert religions in Malaysia. Have a try and let me know how you get on.

[floridaorange]

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I just don't see why we have to believe in a "God"....I don't consider myself an Atheist, but what is it all worth?? Why can't we just be good people because that's what we want to be?? What is wrong with that??....

The founders of our country did not base this nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all because they thought it had a nice ring to it.