VP Debate

[LobsterClan]

ok you win. go go go rah rah rah.

That was far too easy, I expected a challenge.

[Jenks]

ok you win. go go go rah rah rah.

[LobsterClan]

yep, saw that after i responded. they're politicians, they both made shit up.

i still contend edwards didn't do anything to help or hurt kerry, while Cheney did help Bush.

I've seen plenty of spots where Cheney lied. Thus far, I have yet to see any area where Edwards just flat-out lied.

[Jenks]

yep, saw that after i responded. they're politicians, they both made shit up.

i still contend edwards didn't do anything to help or hurt kerry, while Cheney did help Bush.

[LobsterClan]

Meanwhile, Cheney is ripping Edwards apart on his lack of service in the Senate, missed 70% of the votes ffs. Thought it was brilliant when Cheney said, "I'm there every tuesday when we're in session, have been for years, and the first time i met you was when we walked on this stage....Senator Gone!" OH SNAP!!!

It's really simple to debate when youre just flat-out making shit up. Not only did Cheney only serve as the presiding officer of the Senate TWICE only in nearly 4 years, see http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/10/6/11163/2940
for the story, but he also has met Edwards several times before this including:



From the Breakfast Club Prayer, 2001. Cheneys Lies

[Jenks]

thought is was good on both sides.

what i constantly don't like about the Edwards/Kerry Campaign (purposely reversed names because i think Edwards is ten time the person Kerry is,) is that they both are so vague about their plan for national security. Simply saying "We're going to kill terrorists" doesn't tell me a goddammed thing. And further more, while Cheney tossed around a lot of numbers and stats, Edwards really didn't have much response directly to those numbers other than just being a good debater and renewing his own points.

The Haliburton issue, Cheney constantly dodged and Edwards constantly kept throwing it back in his face. But after awhile when Cheney didn't really respond directly to the Haliburton issue, for Edwards to throw it back out in response to Cheney's direct attacks, it was just like, "yeah, we've heard the halliburton thing before, matter of fact, like 5 mintues ago."

Meanwhile, Cheney is ripping Edwards apart on his lack of service in the Senate, missed 70% of the votes ffs. Thought it was brilliant when Cheney said, "I'm there every tuesday when we're in session, have been for years, and the first time i met you was when we walked on this stage....Senator Gone!" OH SNAP!!!

However, with both VP candidates skilled in debate, it's tough to pick a clear winner as neither one really did more damage than the other one. I do think that Cheney helped the Bush campaign more than Edwards helped Kerry. Edwards drove home the same points Kerry has been saying on the campaign trail, while Cheney said all the things correctly that dumbass Bush can never spit out. Gotta give the edge to the (R) Campaign in this debate for that reason alone.

[BSully828]

Thoughts? Opinions? I thought they both did a pretty good job, Cheney smacked Edwards around a bit, Edwards threw a couple jabs of his own in. Both sides spit out some false information, both had their talking points down pat - but I give the edge to Cheney, Edwards at times tried too hard to play the audience rather than stick to the questions. Both of them screwed up their closing arguments in a few spots - Cheney looked like he got lost a bit with all the info he wanted to get out, and Edwards tried his best to be Sam Waterston. That being said, if Bush is smart - he paid close attention to how Cheney held himself last night.

One thing I know for sure is that somebody is going to put some little flash movie together regarding the moment when Cheney thanked Edwards for the comments about his daughter. Edit together some long takes of them looking at each other, play a little "Dreamweaver" in the background - instant classic.