James Holden in NYC at Cielo = best prog I've ever heard

[kfitz]

oh good god, Drew. you know him?

I don't know Drew but i know his brother Zach... Dennis Rodgers had him over for his birthday party...

[Jenks]

oh good god, Drew. you know him?

[kfitz]

Re: James Holden in NYC at Cielo = best prog I've ever heard

1. Typical elitist techno-head post. I have no idea how much JH "knows" about minimal but he used it effectively in his set. Deal with it...

:ROFLMAO: fair enough on the elitist techno head thing, but seriously man, i've seen JH live and i've seen countless minimal djs live as well, whatever it was JH was playing, i can assure you, it wasn't minimal techno. I'll give that kid his due in the studio, (hell, even i've played that spears dub thing he did.) Even the first part of his set (3-5 records) when i saw him live was pretty nails, but then it went downhill fast and into a boring hodge podge that sounded like one big fucking prog record. Of everything i've ever heard from him, records, sets, reviews, etc...never heard him get the minimal tag. If you wish, pm me, and i'll give you some links to some proper minimal techno, and if you tell me that's what james holden was playing, i'll eat my hat.

cheers

I don't mean that he spun a minimal set. All I really mean was in the very beginning he spun a few minimal records and brought it up from there. I'm talking 2-3 tops. I respect your opinion of minimal and your opinion of JH on the night you saw him. Apparently the reviews have been pretty bad on most of the nights he's been in the US, but in NY he brought the goods. I wasn't much of a JH fan prior to Sunday, but I am now. As far as proper minimal is concerned, I'm not much of a spotter so I can't give you track names, but I've seen the likes of Hawtin, Magda, 112, etc on many occasions so I do know what quality minimal sounds like... As a matter of fact, I got to see StL's very own Drew Rasse the last time he came down here...



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[Jenks]

Re: James Holden in NYC at Cielo = best prog I've ever heard

1. Typical elitist techno-head post. I have no idea how much JH "knows" about minimal but he used it effectively in his set. Deal with it...

:ROFLMAO: fair enough on the elitist techno head thing, but seriously man, i've seen JH live and i've seen countless minimal djs live as well, whatever it was JH was playing, i can assure you, it wasn't minimal techno. I'll give that kid his due in the studio, (hell, even i've played that spears dub thing he did.) Even the first part of his set (3-5 records) when i saw him live was pretty nails, but then it went downhill fast and into a boring hodge podge that sounded like one big fucking prog record. Of everything i've ever heard from him, records, sets, reviews, etc...never heard him get the minimal tag. If you wish, pm me, and i'll give you some links to some proper minimal techno, and if you tell me that's what james holden was playing, i'll eat my hat.

cheers

[Johnnyboy]

Ive seen some reviews that said he played a lot of prog but "good prog"...which to me is an oxymoron. either way you like what you like....

DG... I missed him at Avalon... But my friends that saw him said that it was a great show... Too damn bad because I love his work and would have loved to see him at the Avy.

[kfitz]

Re: James Holden in NYC at Cielo = best prog I've ever heard

He started out with some minimal .... During the peak hours I would call it melodic tech house... ...

1. James Holden wouldn't know minimal techno if it slapped him in the face.

2. Melodic Tech House? There's a new one.

1. Typical elitist techno-head post. I have no idea how much JH "knows" about minimal but he used it effectively in his set. Deal with it...

2. Maybe I described the sound poorly, maybe it was more like ambient techno or tech house with a ton of effects, but whatever it was it was neither proggy or trancey...

[DreamGirlie]

Re: James Holden in NYC at Cielo = best prog I've ever heard

[Jenks]

^because there isn't any. lol.

[Steve Graham]

Ive seen some reviews that said he played a lot of prog but "good prog"...which to me is an oxymoron. either way you like what you like....

"good prog" is an oxymoron?

how so?

[themonk]

I love his production work and the Border Community artists he supports, and I think his Balance mix (which is more of a studio mix than a dj mix) is absolutely brilliant, but I've downloaded a few dj set and they don't do it for me. Dj'ing is a real art that requires years of nurturing, and moving the floor is not easy. For me the sets simply don't "move the floor" and lack a sense of rhythmic continuity that helps put people in a trance (i use this term in its real meaing) and lock them in a groove.

[DreamGirlie]

Ive seen some reviews that said he played a lot of prog but "good prog"...which to me is an oxymoron. either way you like what you like....

[Jenks]

Re: James Holden in NYC at Cielo = best prog I've ever heard

He started out with some minimal .... During the peak hours I would call it melodic tech house... ...

1. James Holden wouldn't know minimal techno if it slapped him in the face.

2. Melodic Tech House? There's a new one.

[kfitz]

Re: James Holden in NYC at Cielo = best prog I've ever heard

I wouldn't consider what he spun on sunday proggy at all. He started out with some minimal and built it up from there. During the peak hours I would call it melodic tech house... I do understand where the trance comments come from though because he was like that at Sullivan Room here last year...

[DreamGirlie]

^completely agree.

^completely agree agree.

[Jenks]

lineup backwards indeed. although mazi and jay did play until around 2am i think...then holden's nonsense till 5am.