VP Debate Thread

[shosh]

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lol @ Biden not having a clue what obama wants to do with iran. when palin was saying that obama would be willing to meet with the iranian pres without preconditions biden said: "his is simply not true about Barack Obama. He did not say sit down with Ahmadinejad."

from obama's site:

Obama supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions.

lulz

[Miroslav]

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BREAKING NEWS:

Obama's Campaign and Supporters: Obama and Biden sweep the debates

McCain's Campaign and Supporters: McCain and Palin sweep the debates

Ok shosh, I'm sorry but I just have to ask. I've been dying to know: Your avowed hatred of Obama and his lack of experience aside for a moment...can you possibly deny that Palin has turned out to be a horrifically unqualified choice by McCain?

[toasty]

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lol @ Biden not having a clue what obama wants to do with iran. when palin was saying that obama would be willing to meet with the iranian pres without preconditions biden said: "his is simply not true about Barack Obama. He did not say sit down with Ahmadinejad."

OK, first off, Ahmadinejad is not the leader of Iran, and unless he's done it very recently, he has never, in fact, said he'd sit down with Ahmadinejad, period. More importantly, though, haven't we all been over this before? It's a semantic difference, the difference between "preparations" and "preconditions." If you've made it to this point in the election season and you sincerely believe that Obama intends to invite Ahmadinijad over for a BBQ right off the bat, you're either not paying attention, are listening selectively, or are being intellectually dishonest. No one believes that.

[shosh]

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Ok shosh, I'm sorry but I just have to ask. I've been dying to know: Your avowed hatred of Obama and his lack of experience aside for a moment...can you possibly deny that Palin has turned out to be a horrifically unqualified choice by McCain?

i never said she was the best choice or that i agree with what mccain's choice. so yeah i do agree that she is unqualified. tbh i didnt even want mccain to be the gop nominee. and i actually believe that neither obama nor mccain are going to do any good.
glad i could help you stay alive

[shosh]

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OK, first off, Ahmadinejad is not the leader of Iran, and unless he's done it very recently, he has never, in fact, said he'd sit down with Ahmadinejad, period. More importantly, though, haven't we all been over this before? It's a semantic difference, the difference between "preparations" and "preconditions." If you've made it to this point in the election season and you sincerely believe that Obama intends to invite Ahmadinijad over for a BBQ right off the bat, you're either not paying attention, are listening selectively, or are being intellectually dishonest. No one believes that.

wait wat?

Ahmadinejad is the president of Iran, isn't he? Obama says right on his website that he "supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions."

Biden denied Obama said that.




I am paying attention, are you?

[toasty]

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wait wat?

Ahmadinejad is the president of Iran, isn't he? Obama says right on his website that he "supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions."

Hey dumbass, that means the US president, not the president of Iran.

[shosh]

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Hey dumbass, that means the US president, not the president of Iran.

direct presidential diplomacy means to me president to president...

im just reading the words, why are you twisting them?

[toasty]

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direct presidential diplomacy means to me president to president...

im just reading the words, why are you twisting them?

OK, so what happens when the US decides to negotiate with a country that doesn't have a president? And what would be the point of having negotiations with the president when the leader of the country is actually the Supreme Leader? It makes no sense.

"Direct presidential diplomacy" means "our president is directly involved in diplomacy." It's the only interpretation that makes any sense.

[Steve Graham]

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ok, I'm confused then, if Ahmadinejad isnt the leader of Iran who is?

[shosh]

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ok, I'm confused then, if Ahmadinejad isnt the leader of Iran who is?

technically ahmadinejad is the president (has executive powers), the supreme leader is Ali Khamenei, the ayatollah

[Steve Graham]

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ahhh, ok, thanks

[toasty]

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technically ahmadinejad is the president (has executive powers), the supreme leader is Ali Khamenei, the ayatollah

Kinda surprised you know this, makes me wonder why you're so worked up about Ahmadinejad since you know he's not the "leader" of Iran and therefore not the person Obama would be negotiating with anyway. Seems a touch disingenuous.

And by the way, lest there be any confusion about who has what duties, the Ayatollah is the supreme commander of the Iranian armed forces and has the sole authority to declare war and peace.

http://www.leader.ir/langs/en/index.php?p=leader_law

[Cj Tari]

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lol @ Biden not having a clue what obama wants to do with iran. when palin was saying that obama would be willing to meet with the iranian pres without preconditions biden said: "his is simply not true about Barack Obama. He did not say sit down with Ahmadinejad."

from obama's site:


lulz

how about putting the complete quote from Biden.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNyfoxsxsD0&feature=related

at about minute 1.30

i mean, yes we all know both twisted the truth a bit, but man, if youre trying to make a point, do your homework a bit better man.

also, heres the list of things that both vp candidates kind of lied a bit on::

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/ap_on_el_pr/debate_fact_check

[shosh]

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Kinda surprised you know this, makes me wonder why you're so worked up about Ahmadinejad since you know he's not the "leader" of Iran and therefore not the person Obama would be negotiating with anyway. Seems a touch disingenuous.

And by the way, lest there be any confusion about who has what duties, the Ayatollah is the supreme commander of the Iranian armed forces and has the sole authority to declare war and peace.

http://www.leader.ir/langs/en/index.php?p=leader_law

how about putting the complete quote from Biden.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNyfoxsxsD0&feature=related

at about minute 1.30

i mean, yes we all know both twisted the truth a bit, but man, if youre trying to make a point, do your homework a bit better man.

also, heres the list of things that both vp candidates kind of lied a bit on::

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/...ate_fact_check

i was just pointing out another discrepancy between what biden and what obama agree on

[DreamGirlie]

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I could not stop laughing every time Palin used the word maverick.