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Re: Undecided voter...who the hell should I vote for?
yeah, read the bottom of the link you posted:
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Re: Undecided voter...who the hell should I vote for?
Originally posted by thesightless
@ weizy, YUP
slowly, ppl are getting smarter and voicing the displeasure of these two monopolistic groups who have gutted this nation. they both are to blame, its convienient how people disregard the fact that the HOUSES make up law, and they are democratic controlled. GW bad, but what does that make the group of people who can override him, who write the laws, who create the budget etc....... THINK> FFS THINK
We need more political parties or better yet, no political parties. Every election its the same thing. 2 candidates who arent worth shit.
Originally posted by Miroslav
It's not like he grabbed his balls and sucked his dick. It's not like he gave the Saudis the original copy of the Constitution to use as toilet paper. It's not like he gave away the secret recipe to the Colonel's chicken. .
Re: Undecided voter...who the hell should I vote for?
Originally posted by Weizy
I hear ya Toasty...trust me I do, but can you sum it up? and why not vote Green or Libertarian?
Voting Green or Libertarian is a vote to make a point, not get someone elected. There are elections where I'd rather make a point than see the person I'm supporting get elected; this isn't one of them. If I were ambivalent between the two major party candidates, I'd think about voting Libertarian. I'm not, though, so I'm voting Obama.
Some reasons, briefly, that I'm supporting Obama:
1. Restoring our stature in the world.
2. Putting an end to Bush's economic policies.
3. The next president is going to have the opportunity to appoint at least one more justice -- Stevens is 88 years old -- and there are 3 justices (Ginsberg, Scalia, and Kennedy) that are 72 or more and could reasonably come off of the bench for any of a host of different reasons. McCain has said that his ideal justice would be someone in the mold of Antonin Scalia, which ought to disqualify someone from being president IMO.
4. Much more realistic, broad-based plan for developing energy independence.
5. Intelligent use of the military.
6. Increased transparency
There's more, but that's a pretty good start.
Oh, and I'm ready to have a president I can be proud of again, that promotes a positive, unifying message rather than one that is inherently negative. For about the last 6 years, most of my political thoughts have been fueled by anger, disillusionment, and hopelessness. Obama supporters are often ridiculed for being drawn to his message of hope and change, but if that message gets people involved in the process and excited about being Americans, I don't see how that can be anything but a postive step in the right direction.
Feel free to throw any specific questions my way, via pm or otherwise -- I've got a pretty good handle on his platform...
Re: Undecided voter...who the hell should I vote for?
Originally posted by toasty
Voting Green or Libertarian is a vote to make a point, not get someone elected. There are elections where I'd rather make a point than see the person I'm supporting get elected; this isn't one of them. If I were ambivalent between the two major party candidates, I'd think about voting Libertarian. I'm not, though, so I'm voting Obama.
Some reasons, briefly, that I'm supporting Obama:
1. Restoring our stature in the world.
2. Putting an end to Bush's economic policies.
3. The next president is going to have the opportunity to appoint at least one more justice -- Stevens is 88 years old -- and there are 3 justices (Ginsberg, Scalia, and Kennedy) that are 72 or more and could reasonably come off of the bench for any of a host of different reasons. McCain has said that his ideal justice would be someone in the mold of Antonin Scalia, which ought to disqualify someone from being president IMO.
4. Much more realistic, broad-based plan for developing energy independence.
5. Intelligent use of the military.
6. Increased transparency
There's more, but that's a pretty good start.
Oh, and I'm ready to have a president I can be proud of again, that promotes a positive, unifying message rather than one that is inherently negative. For about the last 6 years, most of my political thoughts have been fueled by anger, disillusionment, and hopelessness. Obama supporters are often ridiculed for being drawn to his message of hope and change, but if that message gets people involved in the process and excited about being Americans, I don't see how that can be anything but a postive step in the right direction.
Feel free to throw any specific questions my way, via pm or otherwise -- I've got a pretty good handle on his platform...
that was VERY well put!
either way McCain is out so that only leaves Obama and Barr for me. Does it really matter though given how far ahead Obama is projected to be?
Re: Undecided voter...who the hell should I vote for?
Originally posted by Weizy
Does it really matter though given how far ahead Obama is projected to be?
HELL YES it matters!!!!
If the polls numbers are to be believed, this is Obama's race to lose. That doesn't mean he won't, though, and the only way that happens, IMO, is through voter complacency (or voter suppression, I suppose, but that's another discussion entirely). The biggest danger is that people don't bother to vote -- or vote for someone else -- because they think it's in the bag. Enough people do that, and you start to have a problem.
If the poll numbers can't be believed, expect it to cut against Obama, in which case he's going to need every vote he can get.
So please, please, please get out and vote for Obama next Tuesday. If you're still not sold on him, do take a half an hour tonight and watch his thing. From what I've been able to gather, it is supposed to be a very substantive presentation that is squarely directed at answering questions of undecided voters like you about policy positions, governing philosophy, etc., as opposed to lofty, unspecific rhetoric that speaks to people like me that are already supporting him.
Re: Undecided voter...who the hell should I vote for?
Originally posted by Steve Graham
toasty, I for one really really appreciate your level headed well thought out posts during most of this election year
Thanks, I do make a concerted effort to keep it above board whenever possible -- difficult as that may be at times. Now with that said, I'd invite you to go take a look at my recent post pertaining to evangelical christians worshiping a gigantic bronze statue of a bull in the middle of Manhattan's financial district.
Re: Undecided voter...who the hell should I vote for?
Originally posted by toasty
HELL YES it matters!!!!
If the polls numbers are to be believed, this is Obama's race to lose. That doesn't mean he won't, though, and the only way that happens, IMO, is through voter complacency (or voter suppression, I suppose, but that's another discussion entirely). The biggest danger is that people don't bother to vote -- or vote for someone else -- because they think it's in the bag. Enough people do that, and you start to have a problem.
If the poll numbers can't be believed, expect it to cut against Obama, in which case he's going to need every vote he can get.
So please, please, please get out and vote for Obama next Tuesday. If you're still not sold on him, do take a half an hour tonight and watch his thing. From what I've been able to gather, it is supposed to be a very substantive presentation that is squarely directed at answering questions of undecided voters like you about policy positions, governing philosophy, etc., as opposed to lofty, unspecific rhetoric that speaks to people like me that are already supporting him.
thanks for taking the time to break this down a bit for me. much appreciated!!!
Re: Undecided voter...who the hell should I vote for?
This is why obama will be bad: Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. If congress was with a republican majority than I could care less about this presedential election.
Originally posted by Miroslav
It's not like he grabbed his balls and sucked his dick. It's not like he gave the Saudis the original copy of the Constitution to use as toilet paper. It's not like he gave away the secret recipe to the Colonel's chicken. .
Re: Undecided voter...who the hell should I vote for?
Toasty, I'm curious as to your approach of constitutional interpretation. My understanding is that there are two ways; either study how the english common law at the time influence the founding fathers in addition to the constitutional congress' notes and such and derive the purpose and focus of the founding fathers, or, resort to making it up as we go along to effectuate a fair outcome.
I'll admit that our constitution is not perfect; but even as I disagree with Scalia on the way he comes out, I think, from what I've read, he's probably got the most consistent approach to interpretation of any of the justices on the bench in many, many years.
you could put an Emfire release on for 2 minutes and you would be a sleep before it finishes - Chunky
it's RA. they'd blow their load all over some stupid 20 minute loop of a snare if it had a quirky flange setting. - Tiddles
Re: Undecided voter...who the hell should I vote for?
Originally posted by Weizy
Does it really matter though given how far ahead Obama is projected to be?
Ive read that the last 72 hours of campaigning can really make a difference - with the example being that Al Gore was lagging a ways behind Bushie until the last 72 hours - and then he ended up winning the majority vote (not electoral).
Any one have a comment on that?
So actually voting on the day is still important (IMO)
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