The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

[toasty]

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Quit thinking and looking things, especially ones that honestly do not involve you, in the point of view as an American. This is part of the reason Necons have gotten in power and their ideals are actually still preserved.

There is a difference between caring about things and acting on things. While the neocons should be faulted for thinking that we should become more actively involved in what is going on in Iran right now, we live in an increasingly small world and Americans SHOULD think, look and care about things that happen in Iran (and anywhere else in the world, for that matter), and vice versa. We no longer live in a world with isolationism is realistic, and a better understanding of what is going on in the world can only lead to good things.

Here's the broader point, though -- I'd be pulling for any group of oppressed people struggling for their rights, wherever they are, and shouldn't be faulted if it happens that it is going on in a country where regime change is likely to benefit US interests. That an event happens to make me happy from both a humanitarian and self-interested standpoint doesn't change the fact that the humanitarian component is in there. You want Americans to stop caring about what happens in Iran? Not gonna happen, so you'll just have to get over the fact that we're rooting for you. Deal with it.

As a final aside, the neocons have had their asses absolutely handed to them in the last two elections, and they now constitute a minority segment of a minority party. They don't seem to realize it which is why they still bark as loudly as ever, much to the chagrin of the moderates in their party, but don't confuse neocon bluster for the sentiments of the public at large.

[serghe]

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Well, I'm sorry but... every group of people always has their own agenda in things around the world - that's politics! When Obama was running for office, many Iranians no doubt had their own agenda behind their interest in the outcome, too - as did all the rest of the world. So I'm afraid you just may have to get used to it...

Me as an Iranian could care less who was in charge in America. I do invite for a free Iran to be friends with America and encourage trade, but I do like the fact Obama just wants to be friends with anyone in charge of Iran just because no other US president has in the past since 1979.

Quit thinking and looking things, especially ones that honestly do not involve you, in the point of view as an American. This is part of the reason Necons have gotten in power and their ideals are actually still preserved.

[Miroslav]

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Because I hate when Americans have their own agenda in things. See you look at things from an American point of view.

Well, I'm sorry but... every group of people always has their own agenda in things around the world - that's politics! When Obama was running for office, many Iranians no doubt had their own agenda behind their interest in the outcome, too - as did all the rest of the world. So I'm afraid you just may have to get used to it...

[serghe]

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Not sure why you keep saying this because the Iranian protesters' motivation behind their actions does not necessarily have anything to do with the US's motivation behind any of its actions in the Middle East. So logically speaking, it's largely irrelevant from the US policy standpoint as to whether Iranian people are dying for reasons that are aligned with US motivations or not. Each group acts in its own best interest (freedom, regime change, access to oil, economic prospects, long-term regional stability, prevention of nuclear proliferation); their interests may ultimately coincide, or they may not.

Because I hate when Americans have their own agenda in things. See you look at things from an American point of view. When I look at American issues, I look at them from what American would look at them like, but Americans never do the same for the rest of the world. It is actually quite simple.

Why do you follow this story? Why do you show interest, ask yourself this and then ask what point of view am I looking at. I watch Fox News and Cnn and generally both of them will show the American angle on things, which is actually quite annoying. Especially when this type of foreign media is all we have in this fight. BBC and Sky have done well to show from an Iranian point of view. France 24 has basically shown it all in an Iranian point of view. Al Jazeera has been a bit biased towards IR and anti IR at the same time it gets confusing. Russia Today has not said a thing on this of course.

I am just sick and tried of looking at the foreign media in this (you have to remember this all we Iranians have because of IR restrictions) and have to see what Obama said when he swatted from fly and what not. WHat I am saying is, this is our issue, support our fight, but do not make something that it isn't. This has nothing to do with Israel, USA, UK. This is a people issue and human rights issue. Of course politics will get meshed into it.

But who cares right? The world revolves around the USA and Obama, not the sun.

[Miroslav]

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IRANIAN PEOPLE ARE NOT DIEING SO PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN THEN USE THIS AS REASONING BEHIND A JUSTIFICATION OR CONSPIRACIES THAT THE USA IS GOING TO FUCK IRAN OUT ITS OIL.

Not sure why you keep saying this because the Iranian protesters' motivation behind their actions does not necessarily have anything to do with the US's motivation behind any of its actions in the Middle East. So logically speaking, it's largely irrelevant from the US policy standpoint as to whether Iranian people are dying for reasons that are aligned with US motivations or not. Each group acts in its own best interest (freedom, regime change, access to oil, economic prospects, long-term regional stability, prevention of nuclear proliferation); their interests may ultimately coincide, or they may not.

[serghe]

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Funny you say that...because you have just put your finger on precisely what he realizes and why he is acting "weak", as you say.

It does not serve US interests for the President to go out of his way and say lots of belligirent things to Iran's current power structure like George Bush did. Why give them additional free ammo to galvanize broader support around a nationalist anti-US agenda? But you shouldn't necessarily conclude that this means that Obama wants to be friends with Ahmadinejad. It is smarter to publicly display a more respectful, diplomatic tone towards Iran's leaders (again, not giving them free pulic relations ammo) while at the same time doing whatever one can behind the scenes to marginalize them and support their removal.

I am judging Obama by his little speech to Iranians on Newrouz (Iranian new year), he wanted to talk to IR, and he still does whoever is in charge. I much preferred Bush's tactic of no talks. I did not agree on the nuclear issue and invasion ideals. IR is still saying death to America right now as we speak even though Obama is not saying anything. They will do it regardless. So do not go on praising his silence.

Everything has to do with Oil. Oil is money. Do you actually believe that the US gov't gives a shit about Iranian people?? Well they don't just like they didn't care about Iraq. Notice the same tone

Saddam - Evil dictator, kills his own people, we must save them
Ahmadinijad - Evil Dictator, kills his own people, we must save them

It is like reading the same book

What does Iran and Iraq have in common. oil

Iran and Iraq have little in common as far as the people are concerned. FFS, I have to make it big now...

IRANIAN PEOPLE ARE NOT DIEING SO PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN THEN USE THIS AS REASONING BEHIND A JUSTIFICATION OR CONSPIRACIES THAT THE USA IS GOING TO FUCK IRAN OUT ITS OIL.

Do you honestly think Iranian people are that daft now, why do you think the shah is gone... UK fucked Iran out its oil for years. Even this regime gives it oil away to Russia. I think by now we have learnt our lesson.

Americans and they fucking oil conspiracies...

[serghe]

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I know but lets not act like if there was a protest in the USA that the US people would be allowed to go wherever they want.

Ask yourself this, what would happen now if a protest was organised with hundreds of thousands of people and they wanted to shut down Wallstreet? Tear gas, rubber bullets, and possibly lethal force. Who knows what else?

It wouldn't look much different then what we are seeing in Iran IMO.

Ok seriously stop, we all know the US wouldn't being shooting people from rooftops and arresting everything on mobile phones and then blaming a list of 20 countries or people for what is going on. Do you realise about 500 plus people have probably died in Iran in the last 10 days.

[bobjuice]

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Everything has to do with Oil. Oil is money. Do you actually believe that the US gov't gives a shit about Iranian people?? Well they don't just like they didn't care about Iraq. Notice the same tone

Saddam - Evil dictator, kills his own people, we must save them
Ahmadinijad - Evil Dictator, kills his own people, we must save them

It is like reading the same book

What does Iran and Iraq have in common. oil

^ playing up the nuclear threat too in both cases. Odd really coming from the most heavily armed nation on the planet.

I know but lets not act like if there was a protest in the USA that the US people would be allowed to go wherever they want.

Ask yourself this, what would happen now if a protest was organised with hundreds of thousands of people and they wanted to shut down Wallstreet? Tear gas, rubber bullets, and possibly lethal force. Who knows what else?

It wouldn't look much different then what we are seeing in Iran IMO.

^ V true

[Miroslav]

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^^ Yes, I agree with that... I'd just say that Iran and Iraq nevertheless have a much more authoritarian recent history than the US does, even with all of the imperfections and problems that the US has in its systems.

[runningman]

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I know but lets not act like if there was a protest in the USA that the US people would be allowed to go wherever they want.

Ask yourself this, what would happen now if a protest was organised with hundreds of thousands of people and they wanted to shut down Wallstreet? Tear gas, rubber bullets, and possibly lethal force. Who knows what else?

It wouldn't look much different then what we are seeing in Iran IMO.

[Miroslav]

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Notice the same tone

Saddam - Evil dictator, kills his own people, we must save them
Ahmadinijad - Evil Dictator, kills his own people, we must save them

It is like reading the same book

yes, and they both happen to be true (the evil dictator killing his own people part)

not saying that it isn't about oil...

[runningman]

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Everything has to do with Oil. Oil is money. Do you actually believe that the US gov't gives a shit about Iranian people?? Well they don't just like they didn't care about Iraq. Notice the same tone

Saddam - Evil dictator, kills his own people, we must save them
Ahmadinijad - Evil Dictator, kills his own people, we must save them

It is like reading the same book

What does Iran and Iraq have in common. oil

[Miroslav]

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The one thing Obama doesn't realise is that all that death to America BS IR spouts is to have an enemy. Without an enemy, they have no reason to rule or exist.

Funny you say that...because you have just put your finger on precisely what he realizes and why he is acting "weak", as you say.

It does not serve US interests for the President to go out of his way and say lots of belligirent things to Iran's current power structure like George Bush did. Why give them additional free ammo to galvanize broader support around a nationalist anti-US agenda? But you shouldn't necessarily conclude that this means that Obama wants to be friends with Ahmadinejad. It is smarter to publicly display a more respectful, diplomatic tone towards Iran's leaders (again, not giving them free pulic relations ammo) while at the same time doing whatever one can behind the scenes to marginalize them and support their removal.

[serghe]

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Also Russia has already beat the USA to Iran's oil, for your conspiracy theorist out there. The cold war is still alive and well.

[serghe]

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First off I didn't know you were Iranian. Second i am not anti Iranian at all. Third I was just informing you the way the US gov't works when they try to control something. I find it funny that the writing to be on the wall and yet people won't believe it. Watch the videos I posted and educate yourself on what happens out there thats all. The US gov't can come out like when Obama spoke about the Iran coup that the CIA did back in the day and people can't believe that they would do it again EVEN when there is an article from the Bush administration talking about black ops- CIA- internet news. What more do you want? Obama to come out and say "Ya it is us actually." Well he won't at least not for 50 years.

It has nothing to do with Nukes and everything to do with oil, again. I feel like i am watching an instant replay of iraq except this will be much worse. The persian empire has never been conquered.

You probably are not anti-Iranian. Do not look into things too much. As an Iranian myself I could not see this coming. It is a blessing, a huge blessing that these IR people rigged this election. I mean they could have done a 51% 49% rig and it would have fine, none of this would have happened, but no, they went all out, and it is a blessing. Every tactic they have so far has been terrible. They have not done one thing right and again that is a blessing because it just means we will soon be free. None of this has to do with the CIA.

No offense, but I do not care for CIA. I know they are just sitting back, watching the show, like all the under cover spies in Iran.

This is not Iraq, This not about fucking oil. The West has done perfect with all the sanctions on Iran the last couple of years. As for Mr. Obama. Fuck him. He actually wanted to talk to these people. His little apologise for Bush campaign shows him as fucking weak. I honestly do not respect a man that wants to actually talk to these IR bastards. Even if IR wins in all this, he will still want to talk to them because he is on a mission to erase all errors of Bush and befriend Iran. He doesn't give two shits about Iran, he cares about his political career. Out of all this I finally see who Iran's enemies are and who their friends are. Obama is not one of them. The one thing Obama doesn't realise is that all that death to America BS IR spouts is to have an enemy. Without an enemy, they have no reason to rule or exist.