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Re: Will You take the Swine Flu Vaccine??
Hey Miro would it make you wonder why Baxter filled for the swine flu patent a full year before anybody was even talking about it. They must have known what strain to patent since it mutates so much.
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Re: Will You take the Swine Flu Vaccine??
Fuck the swine flu and the vaccine!
Number 7 is my favorite!
Ten things you're not supposed to know about the swine flu vaccine
(At least, not by anyone in authority...)
#1 - The vaccine production was "rushed" and the vaccine has never been tested on humans. Do you like to play guinea pig for Big Pharma? If so, line up for your swine flu vaccine this fall...
#2 - Swine flu vaccines contain dangerous adjuvants that cause an inflammatory response in the body. This is why they are suspected of causing autism and other neurological disorders.
#3 - The swine flu vaccine could actually increase your risk of death from swine flu by altering (or suppressing) your immune system response. There is zero evidence that even seasonal flu shots offer any meaningful protection for people who take the jabs. Vaccines are the [COLOR=#D0D060 ! important][COLOR=#D0D060 ! important]snake[/color][/color] oil of modern medicine.
#4 - Doctors still don't know why the 1976 swine flu vaccines paralyzed so many people. And that means they really have no clue whether the upcoming vaccine might cause the same devastating side effects. (And they're not testing it, either...)
#5 - Even if the swine flu vaccine kills you, the drug companies aren't responsible. The U.S. [COLOR=#D0D060 ! important][COLOR=#D0D060 ! important]government[/color][/color] has granted drug companies complete immunity against vaccine product liability. Thanks to that [COLOR=#D0D060 ! important][COLOR=#D0D060 ! important]blanket[/color][/color] immunity, drug companies have no incentive to make safe vaccines, because they only get paid based on quantity, not safety (zero liability).
#6 - No swine flu vaccine works as well as vitamin D to protect you from influenza. That's an inconvenient scientific fact that the U.S. government, the FDA and Big Pharma hope the people never realize.
#7 - Even if the swine flu vaccine actually works, mathematically speaking if everyone else around you gets the vaccine, you don't need one! (Because it can't spread through the population you hang with.) So even if you believe in the vaccine, all you need to do is encourage your friends to go get vaccinated...
#8 - Drug companies are making billions of dollars from the production of swine flu vaccines. That money [COLOR=#D0D060 ! important][COLOR=#D0D060 ! important]comes [COLOR=#D0D060 ! important]out[/color][/color][/color] of your pocket -- even if you don't get the jab -- because it's all paid by the taxpayers.
#9 - When people start dying in larger numbers from the swine flu, rest assured that many of them will be the very people who got the swine flu vaccine. Doctors will explain this away with their typical Big Pharma logic: "The number saved is far greater than the number lost." Of course, the number "saved" is entirely fictional... imaginary... and exists only in their own warped heads.
#10 - The swine flu vaccine centers that will crop up all over the world in the coming months aren't completely useless: They will provide an easy way to identify large groups of really stupid people. (Too bad there isn't some sort of blue dye that we could tag 'em with for future reference...)
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US puts flu vaccines on trial
NIAID director Anthony Fauci explains testing strategy.
Declan Butler
The US National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) announced last week that it will begin five clinical trials for two pandemic H1N1 influenza vaccines in early August. These trials will help inform a likely US mass-vaccination campaign beginning in September. NIAID director Anthony Fauci talks about what vaccines were chosen, and why.
To increase the amount of flu vaccine available, the World Health Organization recommends using adjuvants, which boost the body's immune response to the drug. But the five trials you announced last week are for non-adjuvanted vaccines. Why?
We have planned seven priority trials. The five I announced on 22 July are for non-adjuvanted vaccines, but we also plan two more: testing GlaxoSmithKline's AS03 adjuvant with vaccine from Sanofi Pasteur and from CSL Biotherapies. We prioritized non-adjuvanted vaccines as the US government seems likely to recommend using these for vaccinating the first tier of priority groups — expected to include children and groups at higher risk of severe disease, such as those with certain underlying illnesses and pregnant women. We fully intend to proceed with trials of adjuvanted vaccines.
Will you test adjuvanted vaccines in children?
The Europeans have lots of data on the use of adjuvanted flu vaccine in the elderly, but I don't think anybody has really good data on adjuvants in children. The Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) has therefore decided that we are not going to take the chance, and has made a policy decision that we are not going to give adjuvanted flu vaccines to kids. We don't have the time to collect substantial data.
Might not trials including at-risk groups help inform how vaccines are used?
Yes. But, as in other countries, there are many ethical constraints. We are working with both principal investigators and institutional review boards to draw up protocols for such groups. Even if the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is considering the initial non-adjuvanted vaccines as simply a strain substitution of seasonal vaccine, it's still a new vaccine, so we want to get data from healthy adults before launching into risk groups.
What information will the NIAID get that vaccine makers won't from their own trials?
We are asking questions that will inform policy decisions likely to affect how we use vaccines, whereas the focus of vaccine makers is generally directed towards studies needed to get a licence for their vaccine. The sort of information that the FDA, DHHS and the vaccine makers told us they needed most included what levels of antigen per dose are essential to getting an adequate immune response, and whether one or two shots of vaccine will be needed.
So two trials will test both single and double shots of both 15-microgram [the amount in seasonal H1N1 vaccine] or 30-µg doses of antigen, using antigen from Sanofi Pasteur and from CSL Biotherapies. We will give the first doses in the first week or so of August, and the second dose 21 days later. We will learn very quickly after 21 days, when we draw blood, if one dose of 15 µg is enough. And if it isn't, if 30 µg is any better. And if 15 µg is enough, does 30 µg give an even better response? Shortly after 42 days, we will have data on the second doses.
Why are you testing vaccine only from Sanofi Pasteur and CSL Biotherapies, when Novartis accounts for the bulk of vaccine ordered by the United States?
Novartis has quite a sophisticated clinical-trials apparatus. The United States will purchase 45% from Novartis, 26% from Sanofi Pasteur and a little bit less than 19% from CSL Biotherapies. Novartis is able to carry the ball itself, so we made a reasonably well-based decision to fill in the gaps and get information on CSL and Sanofi Pasteur.
You also plan to test co-administration of pandemic 2009 vaccines and seasonal H1N1 vaccines. How will the immune system react to these together?
We don't know. Testing two vaccines against different H1N1s at the same time has never been done. We'll look at three test regimes: giving the pandemic 2009 vaccine before, at the same time as, or after seasonal H1N1 vaccine.
If you give the pandemic H1N1 vaccine first, will subsequently giving the seasonal H1N1 enhance the response to the original dose, or will there be antigenic competition or interference? If you give both at same time, is the body going to have a response that is enhanced against seasonal flu and not do a very good job against the pandemic vaccine, or will it actually amplify the response? And if you give pandemic vaccine after [seasonal vaccine], is that going to have an enhancing or suppressing effect? Immunologically, you can't predict the outcome.
What if we have a vaccine and then the genetics of the virus changes?
You never can predict that, but things look encouraging to me from a molecular-virological standpoint. If you look at the molecular and genetic make-up of the virus from the very first isolates in early April compared to what we are seeing now in late July, it's virtually an identical virus everywhere. So it doesn't look like it is under pressure to mutate to a significant degree. We hope it stays that way for the autumn and winter season.Many people would sooner die than think; In fact, they do so.
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Re: Will You take the Swine Flu Vaccine??
Not really. There has been a lot of scientific work done on influenza subtypes, even if mutation constantly occurs and every single strain cannot every be catalogued at any one point in time. The end result is basically that scientists have long known about subtypes of influenza viruses in pigs (and other animals), and they have also known about the H1N1 subtype - AND they have also been studying cases of animal to human influenza transmission (although this is rare).
So the Baxter folks knew the risk of future influenza pandemics (they've been saying it for years now) and they had some notion of some of the subtypes where the risk might come from. And they thought they had some technology that might be effective against those potential risks. So why not apply for a patent? They're not stupid. And they're trying to set themselves up to make a profit.
Not that everything in Wikipedia is perfect, but here are some sources where you can learn more about the subtypes and see how extensive and far back some of the knowledge is. There really is no need for looney conspiracy theories when we have readily accessible scientific data that helps illuminate certain things pretty clearly.
mixes: www.waxdj.com/miroslavComment
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Also, regarding the mutation of influenza viruses and transmission obetween species, see here for some examples of data:
From the Centers for Disease Control (they have lots of very smart scientists from all sorts of backgrounds and nationalities working for them:
There are tons of other articles about it, too.Influenza A viruses normally seen in one species sometimes can cross over and cause illness in another species. For example, until 1998, only H1N1 viruses circulated widely in the U.S. pig population. However, in 1998, H3N2 viruses from humans were introduced into the pig population and caused widespread disease among pigs. Most recently, H3N8 viruses from horses have crossed over and caused outbreaks in dogs.
"What's interesting and important to note about influenza viruses, is that they're shared viruses between humans and mammals, animals, like pigs, and birds," said Marie Gramer, Ph.D., a researcher at the University of Minnesota's Veterinary Diagnostic Center.
Influenza is a zoonotic, in that it spreads from animals to humans. According to the World Health Organization, about 60 percent of pathogens travel from animals to humans, things like salmonella and rabies.
The flu works both ways, constantly changing.
"The virus is going to change or it'll be attacked by the immune system. So for the virus to survive it has to change or it's always going to get attacked," said Gramer.
When two different strains of the flu virus come together they can change, forming a new strain of the virus. The current strain of swine flu has not been seen before in humans or in pigs.
"The virus changes in the pig lung and the pig nose, for example. And also in the human lung," said Gramer. "There are cells that bind up the viruses. If two viruses get into the same cell they can exchange the genetic material."mixes: www.waxdj.com/miroslavComment
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for those of you who think this is all just some made up conspiracy or a flash in the pan because of the last round in the fall, read these words of a doctor:
mixes: www.waxdj.com/miroslavComment
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Re: Will You take the Swine Flu Vaccine??
I have a doctor too.. He says just wash your hands.. He also admits that a whole industry is waiting to make money off of it. Also that a study coming out of Japan links Tamiflu to acute psychotic reactions similar to those found in schizophrenics
Think about it who is going to make money
Hospitals
Doctors
Nurses
Vaccine Makers
Disinfectant makers
etc...
My advice to everybody is go get some colloidal silverComment
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Re: Will You take the Swine Flu Vaccine??
Does your doctor also say that it's impossible for viruses to ever mutate and transmit from animals to humans? Or that the H1N1 virus was secretly created by the CIA?mixes: www.waxdj.com/miroslavComment
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no he said everyone is waiting to make a lot of money off of this. Remember you don't have to look to deep into things Miro. Money typically is the answer.
I never said it was made by the CIA remember that was you. I said the vaccine companies should be looked into since 99% of the time when there is a pandemic they are to blame because of a lab leak and so on.
Hoof and Mouth - Lab (that actually happened twice)
I can't beleive I am having this conversation with intelligent people though. I thought once I said that it is an untested vaccine everybody would be in agreement not to take.Comment
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^Totally unrelated, and out of curiosity, have you ever been screwed out of a bunch of money before?
It was fun while it lasted...
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no. why? I did have a couple guys try to steal my patent though.Comment
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Re: Will You take the Swine Flu Vaccine??
ok truce... I don't want to do it anymore..Comment
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