you know what's astonishing?

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Poor form. Stalin would be proud.

I don't really see what Stalin has to do with it. My point was how can someone question so much and want to see physical evidence of something in order to believe it, but not apply the same principal to religion where there is no evidence of a God, just a lot of old story's and monuments.

[vinnie97]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

That's where you're mistaken. The evidence of design is everywhere...how one defines that intelligence and design is based on the individual. Dawkins and other atheistic ilk don't have an exclusive license as to our origins. I know you'll disagree, but basic logic dictates to me that something never came from nothing and that goes all the way back to the origins of the universe. No one was there at the time, so the best they can do is take a look at the world around them and come to their own conclusion.

[Shpira]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

[DIDI]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

I don't really see what Stalin has to do with it. My point was how can someone question so much and want to see physical evidence of something in order to believe it, but not apply the same principal to religion where there is no evidence of a God, just a lot of old story's and monuments.

I think we should make it a new rule that as well as anyone who mentions Hitler, anyone who mentions Stalin is an instant FAIL !!

[DIDI]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

That's where you're mistaken. The evidence of design is everywhere...how one defines that intelligence and design is based on the individual. Dawkins and other atheistic ilk don't have an exclusive license as to our origins. I know you'll disagree, but basic logic dictates to me that something never came from nothing and that goes all the way back to the origins of the universe. No one was there at the time, so the best they can do is take a look at the world around them and come to their own conclusion.

It absolutely astonishes me that you use the word logic here ! All this says is that your mind is not big enough to comprehend the wonder that is science. You don't understand, so therefore there has to be a God??

[vinnie97]

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Hey, Didi, some of the most brilliant scientific discoveries of our recent history were made by those who acknowledged the possibility and probability of the existence of God (whatever the nature of said being's existence), so don't even start with me about little minds.

You didn't explain to me how it takes any LESS faith to believe that merely the unguided course of time and chaos brought us the natural world that exists today.

Enjoy your thread, several of you have proven your outright hypocrisy in not entertaining competing ideas (which I thought was what this thread represented), simply on the basis of someone daring to be anything other than an atheist. Oh, the horror!

[Shpira]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

That's where you're mistaken. The evidence of design is everywhere...how one defines that intelligence and design is based on the individual. Dawkins and other atheistic ilk don't have an exclusive license as to our origins. I know you'll disagree, but basic logic dictates to me that something never came from nothing and that goes all the way back to the origins of the universe. No one was there at the time, so the best they can do is take a look at the world around them and come to their own conclusion.

Who created "god"?

[trick12]

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Enjoy your thread, several of you have proven your outright hypocrisy in not entertaining competing ideas (which I thought was what this thread represented), simply on the basis of someone daring to be anything other than an atheist. Oh, the horror!

you should be what you want man and not care what others think if you are convinced by it, coz no one will be responsible another's faith

Who created "god"?

No One.

[trick12]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Enjoy your thread, several of you have proven your outright hypocrisy in not entertaining competing ideas (which I thought was what this thread represented), simply on the basis of someone daring to be anything other than an atheist. Oh, the horror!

you should be what you want man and not care what others think if you are convinced by it, coz no one will be responsible for another's faith

Who created "god"?

No One.

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Anyone catch the Bristol news today. A girl disappeared before Christmas and her body was found on Christmas day in Clifton. I nearly spilt my coffee when they told me police are checking Clifton Suspension Bridge CCTV. It has 32 cameras that run 24/7

[DIDI]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

Hey, Didi, some of the most brilliant scientific discoveries of our recent history were made by those who acknowledged the possibility and probability of the existence of God (whatever the nature of said being's existence), so don't even start with me about little minds.

You didn't explain to me how it takes any LESS faith to believe that merely the unguided course of time and chaos brought us the natural world that exists today.

Enjoy your thread, several of you have proven your outright hypocrisy in not entertaining competing ideas (which I thought was what this thread represented), simply on the basis of someone daring to be anything other than an atheist. Oh, the horror!

Just noticed this, Unfortunately for those scientists that acknowledged the possibility of the existence of a God , their brilliant scientific discoveries didn't include any proof of the existence of a god. Btw I think you will find that a lot of scientists would be quite happy to acknowledge a God if they just had proof!!

You don't need faith to believe in evolution There is concrete evidence about the theory of evolution.

And we are not talking about competing ideas, we are talking about ideas on one side, concrete evidence on the other.

The facts, just the facts

I seem to see the most vehement arguments here are trying to convince atheists that there is a God. Basically I don't care that you believe. If it works for you great !! Personally I get sick and tired of people trying to shove a God down my throat. Particularly when I see the horror of what happens in this world in the name of God.

you should be what you want man and not care what others think if you are convinced by it, coz no one will be responsible for another's faith

Well said trick

[bobjuice]

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Unfortunately for those scientists that acknowledged the possibility of the existence of a God , their brilliant scientific discoveries didn't include any proof of the existence of a god.

^ this

I find your logic flawed Vinnie to say the least. Some of the most brilliant discoveries of science were made by people who deny the existence of a god also. Neither is relevant to the existence of a higher power at all.

The person who one day discovers the cure for cancer may well have ginger hair.

[DIDI]

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^^^ Precisely ! To both parts

[res0nat0r]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

GREAT NEWS EVERYONE!

Obama was caught talking when he thought the microphones were off yesterday, and he was bitching about how behind the times the tecnology of the White House and Air Force One are, he says it feels like they are 20-30 years behind...

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS????? IT MEANS THAT CHUNKY CAN NO LONGER AND MAKE TOTALLY ASININE COMMENTS ABOUT THE LACK OF 1080P PENTAGON PLANE FOOTAGE!!!! SEE!!! THE GOVERNMENT REALLY ISN'T PROTECTED BY THE T1000 AND SKYNET!!!@#!@#!@

[chunky]

Re: you know what's astonishing?

GREAT NEWS EVERYONE!

Obama was caught talking when he thought the microphones were off yesterday, and he was bitching about how behind the times the tecnology of the White House and Air Force One are, he says it feels like they are 20-30 years behind...

DO YOU KNOW WHAT THIS MEANS????? IT MEANS THAT CHUNKY CAN NO LONGER AND MAKE TOTALLY ASININE COMMENTS ABOUT THE LACK OF 1080P PENTAGON PLANE FOOTAGE!!!! SEE!!! THE GOVERNMENT REALLY ISN'T PROTECTED BY THE T1000 AND SKYNET!!!@#!@#!@

Are you closing threads again Res0? Do you have a link to this story. I will also point out that if this story is true Air Force One & The White House are not The pentagon and Obama makes no mention of The Pentagon in your post.

Also Bush admitted on Camera when he knew he was beening filmed that he saw the first plane hit the World Trade Centre on 9/11