Israeli raid on Gaza flotilla

[trick12]

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just think about someone coming to your house and not want to leave!!! and then they say that its their house and start wanting you to get out of it, how classic is this...one advice people, trust your own mind and dont let the mind control contol you. there is crap happening on this side of the world every moment, and you only see and hear what they want you to hear, it dosent matter if hammas is giving the palestinians a hard time just get the fuck outta their country, be real and stop acting not all the world are a bunch of mind controlled ignorants

[trick12]

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[trick12]

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Video footage taken from the Mavi Marmara shows the intent of these supposed peace activists.

Note the time stamp on the first part of the footage, and now tell me that people on that boat weren't after a fight! The footage comes from the ships own security cameras.

what fight you bright one? they are holding sticks on a ship,,, is this how u define the Palestinian kids throwing rocks at Israelis and they reply by throwing chemical bombs at them, did you call this a fight too?!!! what cheap standards

[88Mariner]

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what fight you bright one? they are holding sticks on a ship,,, is this how u define the Palestinian kids throwing rocks at Israelis and they reply by throwing chemical bombs at them, did you call this a fight too?!!! what cheap standards

yes. getting beaten with thick wooden poles only tickles. Since that's true, perhaps we should test your theory out on your thick skull? Afterall...just sticks.

And don't forget the knives...i know for a fact that one of the IDF boarding team did get stabbed. I guess that's nothing either.

Keep being useful though.

[Kiff]

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They just don't get it do they.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...897711,00.html

You are absolutely right, they really just don't get it, do they?

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/05/201053133047995359.html

[trick12]

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yes. getting beaten with thick wooden poles only tickles. Since that's true, perhaps we should test your theory out on your thick skull? Afterall...just sticks.

And don't forget the knives...i know for a fact that one of the IDF boarding team did get stabbed. I guess that's nothing either.

Keep being useful though.

in men's fighting standards, thats low... and i didnt see ur reply on the rocks vs chemical bombs..oh here it is" rocks!!! do you know how hard these rocks are, they can hurt ur skull and cause u to get stitches" LAMEEEEE, a stick is not the same as a gun fool stop acting and trying to gain the world's sympathy by these lame excuses," oh they have sticks, lets shoot and blow the hell outa them and we can use the STICKS as an excuse" keep fooling urself...id love to see u try a stick on my skull, and perhaps we'll try the gun on u and see after all which is more effective stick or gun...

[88Mariner]

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in men's fighting standards, thats low... and i didnt see ur reply on the rocks vs chemical bombs..oh here it is" rocks!!! do you know how hard these rocks are, they can hurt ur skull and cause u to get stitches" LAMEEEEE, a stick is not the same as a gun fool stop acting and trying to gain the world's sympathy by these lame excuses," oh they have sticks, lets shoot and blow the hell outa them and we can use the STICKS as an excuse" keep fooling urself...id love to see u try a stick on my skull, and perhaps we'll try the gun on u and see after all which is more effective stick or gun...

i don't know what rocks vs. chemical bombs have to do with what happened on this flotilla. clearly no rocks were thrown by either party.

A stick is not the same as a gun. I didn't say that at all. But when you swing a wooden pole at someone, it'll cause some pretty serious damage. Now add several jihadists with wooden poles and you've got something more serious than the rodney king beating. In your fantasy world, getting beating with wooden bats is mere annoyance. Again, I offer the opportunity for you to prove that getting hit with a fucking bat is not anything to cause concern. I'll bring friends so we can accurately set the context...i might even give them some knives just to remain true to the scenario. In turn, i'll arm you with a gun. And we'll see how long you can avoid firing it at me and my crew. I'll even be repeatedly shouting "I"m a peace activist" for good measure.

The position you take is that these boat jihadists had a right to kill those guys who were under orders to avoid any violence whatsoever until it was, as all the videos depict, escalated by the boat jihadists to the point that lethal force was eventually authorized for self-defense. I know you wanted them dead.I know one dead jew means more to you than sustaining the life of any palestinian. Which isn't much different than the position that Hamas takes. (I have yet to see anyone here suggest we should free the Palestinians from Hamas. Yeah, no shit.)

And still, you conveniently forget that they started attacking these guys BEFORE they even set foot on the top deck.You continue to ignore the videos and pictures (my, how that backfired on the hamas sympathizers!). You continue to ignore just about anything that dictates your conclusions are incorrect. Which isn't news to me or anyone else who doesn't submit to the willingness of the 'global community' to implode civilization in hopes that it will blossom utopian surreality.

I guess mindlessly parroting lies is less work. hmph.

Seriously though, we should all tip our hats at the genius who dreamt this scenario up: a well-laid ambush that the IDF walked right into; a crowd of hippies to provide cover for the assault squads waiting all along the top deck - and voile, dead 'civilians' that the jew-hating community can use as fodder to ruin israel, and Erdogyan is granted an ironclad pretext to end the last vestiges of the Turko-Israeli alliance, and giving him full backing by the growing muslim population in the upcoming elections. So many objectives fulfilled simultaneously, it's astonishing. Really. bravo.

I'll leave this with a message from Biden: " So what's the big deal here?"

[trick12]

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A stick is not the same as a gun. I didn't say that at all. But when you swing a wooden pole at someone, it'll cause some pretty serious damage. Now add several jihadists with wooden poles and you've got something more serious than the rodney king beating. In your fantasy world, getting beating with wooden bats is mere annoyance. Again, I offer the opportunity for you to prove that getting hit with a fucking bat is not anything to cause concern. I'll bring friends so we can accurately set the context...i might even give them some knives just to remain true to the scenario. In turn, i'll arm you with a gun. And we'll see how long you can avoid firing it at me and my crew. I'll even be repeatedly shouting "I"m a peace activist" for good measure.

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in your fantasy world, if you go fight with sticks someone that has guns (as well as his friends, coz he wont be alone), you are an idiot and you will get fuked my man. so was the attack planned??? but if u come at me with guns and i didnt have anything to DEFEND myself with except sticks and knives then ill use them (so obviously they werent planning to fight, coz they knew the others had guns), so are you saying that the attack was planned???, but seriously though never go to a gun fight with a stick (unless your donatelo) or u will get fuked my man!!!

[dig72]

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It's amazing to see so many racist antisemites come out so quickly to condemn Israel over this.

Anti semite = someone who is hated by jews. Am I doing it right?




The problem with israel and it's apologists/appeasers, is that they are too stupid or too blind, could be both, to realise that things are not going to well for them right now.

The whole world is disgusted with israel right now and she has also added Turkey, to the list of many nations that are waiting in line for some serious pay back. And believe me, it is going to happen, just a matter of time.

When israel becomes more trouble than she's worth, even the US will drop her like a bad smell. Again, this will eventully happen, just a matter of time.

History always repeats itself and I can't understand why israel and her appeasers believe that they are immune from this somehow?

Israel must make peace with her neighbours and must end the suffering and unjust acts committed against Palestinian people.

Israel has no other choice, either change her ways or continue on the road to self destruction.

She has been warned many times before, once all has been said and done, she will have no one to blame but herself.

[bobjuice]

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Mark Steel: Of course, they were asking for it


Wednesday, 2 June 2010

It's time the Israeli government's PR team made the most of its talents, and became available for hire. Then whenever a nutcase marched into a shopping mall in somewhere like Wisconsin and gunned down a selection of passers-by, they could be on hand to tell the world's press "The gunman regrets the loss of life but did all he could to avoid violence." Then various governments would issue statements saying "All we know is a man went berserk with an AK 47, and next to him there's a pile of corpses, so until we know the facts we can't pass judgement on what took place."
To strengthen their case the Israelis have released a photo of the weapons they found on board, (which amount to some knives and tools and wooden sticks) that the naive might think you'd expect to find on any ship, but the more astute will recognise as exactly what you'd carry if you were planning to defeat the Israeli army. It's an armoury smaller than you'd find in the average toolshed in a garden in Cirencester, which goes to show the Israelis had better destroy Cirencester quickly as an essential act of self-defence.

It's a shame they weren't more imaginative, as they could have said "We also discovered a deadly barometer, a ship's compass, which could not only be frisbeed at someone's head but even had markings to help the assailant know which direction he was throwing it, and a set of binoculars that could easily be converted into a ray-gun."
That would be as logical as the statement from the Israeli PM's spokesman – "We made every possible effort to avoid this incident." Because the one tiny thing they forgot to do to avoid this incident was not send in armed militia from helicopters in the middle of the night and shoot people. I must be a natural at this sort of technique because I often go all day without climbing off a helicopter and shooting people, and I'm not even making every possible effort. Politicians and commentators worldwide repeat a version of this line. They're aware a nation has sent its militia to confront people carrying provisions for the desperate, in the process shooting several of them dead, and yet they angrily blame the dead ones. One typical headline yesterday read "Activists got what they wanted – confrontation." It's an attitude so deranged it deserves to be registered as a psychosis, something like "Reverse Slaughter Victim Confusion Syndrome".
Israel and its supporters claim that Viva Palestina, made up of people who collect the donated food, cement and items for providing basic amenities such as toilets, and transport them to Gaza, wanted the violence all along. Because presumably they must have been thinking "Hezbollah couldn't beat them, but that's because unlike us they didn't have a ballcock and several boxes of plum tomatoes".
One article told us the flotilla was full of "Thugs spoiling for a confrontation", and then accused them of being "Less about aid and more about PR. Indeed, on board was Swedish novelist Henning Mankell." So were they thugs or about PR? Did they have a thugs' section and a PR quarter, or did they all muck in, the novelist diverting the soldiers with his characterisation while the thugs attacked them with a lethal spirit level?
But some defenders of Israel are so blind to what happens in front of them there's nothing at all they wouldn't jump to defend. Israel could blow up a cats home and within five minutes they'd be yelling "How do we know the cats weren't smuggling semtex in their fur for Hamas?"
If this incident had been carried about by Iran, or anyone we were trying to portray as an enemy, so much condemnation would have been spewed out it would have created a vast cloud of outrage that airlines would be unable to fly through.
But as it's Israel, most governments offer a few diplomatic words that blame no one, but accept the deaths are "regrettable". They might as well have picked any random word from the dictionary, so the news would tell us "William Hague described the deaths as 'hexagonal'", and a statement from the US senate said "It's all very confusing. In future let's hope they make every effort to avoid a similar incident."

[ace_dl]

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Joe Biden's ... " What's the big Deal?"

US Vice President Joe Biden has offered the Obama administration's strongest defence of Israel's Gaza flotilla raid to date, in a interview on US television this evening, saying: "Israel has an absolute right to deal with its security interest."
Appearing on PBS's Charlie Rose Show, Biden defended Israel's action in boarding the Gaza flotilla as "legitimate". After suggesting the flotilla's cargo of aid could have been unloaded elsewhere, Biden appears to brush off the international criticism, asking: "So what's the big deal here? What's the big deal of insisting it go straight to Gaza?"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/richard-adams-blog/2010/jun/02/joe-biden-israel-gaza-flotilla-raid

[DIDI]

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I'm only giving them an excuse to keep spreading it aren't I ?? Although letters like this in the Age give me hope >

An offensive term
IT IS mistaken to conflate anti-Semitism with ''anti-Israel'', Selwyn Herberg (Letters, 2/6). Anti-Semitism, like all other forms of racism, is abhorrent and should be opposed at all times.

Arguments opposing the policies of (or even the very idea of) the state of Israel are legitimate, and in no way differ from political discourse in relation to other domestic or international issues.

There are hundreds of thousands of Jews like myself in Israel, US, Europe and elsewhere who strongly oppose Israel's Gaza policy. I regard it as offensive to be identified as ''anti-Jewish'' because I share a point of view that Israel is very wrong.

Naham Warhaft, Armadale

[DIDI]

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@ bobjuices post That's bloody brilliant !!:

Just saw a really interesting TV thing on an organisation called J Street. This is really good . Something actually constructive. http://jstreet.org/

[ace_dl]

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@BobJuice: Very interesting read mate

Cheers for posting

[88Mariner]

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Anti semite = someone who is hated by jews. Am I doing it right?




The problem with israel and it's apologists/appeasers, is that they are too stupid or too blind, could be both, to realise that things are not going to well for them right now.

The whole world is disgusted with israel right now and she has also added Turkey, to the list of many nations that are waiting in line for some serious pay back. And believe me, it is going to happen, just a matter of time.

When israel becomes more trouble than she's worth, even the US will drop her like a bad smell. Again, this will eventully happen, just a matter of time.

History always repeats itself and I can't understand why israel and her appeasers believe that they are immune from this somehow?

Israel must make peace with her neighbours and must end the suffering and unjust acts committed against Palestinian people.

Israel has no other choice, either change her ways or continue on the road to self destruction.

She has been warned many times before, once all has been said and done, she will have no one to blame but herself.

it's too easy to hide veiled anti-semitism under the rug of anti-zionism. only a fool would believe otherwise. Things are not going well for them because batshit anti-semites (oh, you didn't hear about them chanting the anti-jew songs yet?), and the other anti-property right socialists across this planet emote their views, which is nothing that can be met with a proper response. Since they're using their feelings as validation of what is real, then there is no way to reason with them.

Turkey? Turkey was in good graces with Israel until they engaged in a deal with Iran very recently to import enriched uranium. Oh, and as Iv'e said about a dozen times now, Erdy wants his muslim vote. And the best way to appease muslims in the mideast is to trash talk israel.

What is this serious pay back you talk of? You intend to exterminate the arabs, jews, and christians in Israel? Go on, I'd love to hear your reasoning behind this.

Israel is trouble to people who believe it has no right to exist. So of course you, and other retards think the best thing to do is to eliminate it outright. This is no different than the soundbytes you hear from Hamas. Hezbollah. et al, ad nauseum. It's really tiring.

And so which 'ways' of Israel would you change? To let the free importation of arms and weapons into gaza that will be used against the Israeli population? Would you prefer they turn a blind eye to hamas? Do tell of these changes you'd have them do. Because right now, Israel is playing a dangerous game where they're trying to act politically correct, and it's time and again bit them in the ass.

Amusing, but pointless post on your behalf.