Re: Bin Laden's Pictures to be released.
taking the chemical thing further and also the knowledge thing further.. sleeper cells as they are so called are given info on how to carry out a mission, that mission will also include not only plans of how to carry out the mission but also the knowledge of how to manufacture the tools which are used in the mission... these are things like how to turn fertiliser into a bomb how to manufacture and mix chemicals to make them volatile etc etc....
i,m drawing my own conclusions here that most of the guys are only following probably highly detailed instructions and are not exactly fully trained on how to mix chemicals properly like a trained chemist would, in my eyes this is why both the shoe bomber and the pants bomber failed their missions failed in blowing those planes out the sky because they didn't correctly fuse the chemicals in the right way, this would also explain other failed attacks...
i guess the next step for al qaeda is to train people in chemical fusion and send them on a martyrdom missions all over the place, these things take time so in one way this would explain why you are seeing a lack of "attacks".. they are capable of this...this is a huge danger for everyone involved and imo its a good thing that the nip in the butt attitude is being shown as things stand just now, like i have said previously you never really know who someone is by walking past them in the street unless they advertise it, still think sleeper cells are not dangerous ?.
you will never really truly understand paranoia until you have experienced it to a degree yourself.
-
Re: Bin Laden's Pictures to be released.
p.s. sorry for the late reply man, i was on skypeLeave a comment:
-
Re: Bin Laden's Pictures to be released.
chunky ok think about what you have just said about there being lack of evidence and then you posted a video doc, at the end of the day m8 the people who made this doc are just like me and you even though they have probably researched it as far as they can! they have little evidence either and although they may research things a little bit more than u or i do... its obvious here that mass confusion has settled in when describing things like this because of the lack of publicized info for security reasons so its obvious to me that what little info we do have is causing different people to react in different ways...this convo u and i are having should surely testify to that lol... this is why i no longer watch video's like this because @ the end of the day its just selling a story what whatever gain the producers want. as the old saying goes...don't always believe what u see on the tv. its always a bias opinion either way
Yes he mite have intended to detonate the supposed explosives but I'm saying I don't think the bast would have not been sufficient to actually do more than injure a few people. So the chemicals are hard to come by but it seems this hasn't stopped the on going suicide bombers in Israel or the Middle East
do u not think there is a huge difference in size with a belt filled with c4 and a pair of underwear filled with another smaller mount of explosive material... this kind of tells u about how volatile a certain chemical can be, c4 is easy to get minors use it etc ( i may be wrong on that tbh ) but the chemicals which are used in ur so called printer cartridges and shoe bombs and also underwear bombs are much much more difficult to get a hold of, all you have to do on a plane is have a sufficient amount to blow a small hole in the walls of the plane and if its @ 30000 feet everyone on it is completely fucked ( remember planes are pressurised )
they are passing skills to others who join the group, you cant exactly have a group of completely untrained terrorists causing havoc across the world can u ? planning ? infiltrating ?Well what exactly are these solders doing? What have they been trained for? Because I've seen nothing. We are told there are all these sleeper cells in the US but what are they doing. There hasn't been anything happened in the last ten years. If 30 of these cells rig up a car like the Washington Sniper and drove around locations taking pot shots at the public like the Washington Sniper. If you had that going on in 30 states there would be a serious amount of fear and chaos and it mite change my view. So tell me what do you think the best soldiers/planners have been doing.
pot shots @ people LOL come on man that's crazy, what kill ten people max before ur caught? hardly going to make a name for urself by doing amateur shit like this on the world stage are u and of course doing shit like this is going to draw lots and lots of members to joining up for the cause.
so u,ve never really actually seen the "sanction" in action with regards to buying lots of fertiliser in this country in action ? in fact watching the video shows you what happens when u go to buy it, like i said earlier a million times these guys are skilled, fake name ? fake id ? the guys that supply these chemicals are supposed to alert people when they try to get a lot of the stuff.Your feelings are one reality is something else. So they are highly funded and organised but can't come across bomb making chemicals. What about these guys
or even
now m8 find info on how to make this fertiliser into a bomb ? its the fact that the people who carried out the 7/7 attacks were actually given that info in the first place that makes them dangerous ? its pretty difficult to find and i don't even need to try it out but this wee guy was probably caught by flagging security services watching the places where this info is kept...i do agree with you on this one though things need to be seriously tightened up when it comes to the purchasing of such chemicals.
but in all honesty do you think they would risk trying to make a bomb out of this material and take it on a plane ? probably not...the london bombings should show you how much of this shit is needed to cause damage, they were all carrying large rucksacks.
missed the news so not seen it but doesn't the fact that they actually have a command headquarters place not alert you to the fact that these guys are somewhat organised ? chunky i would also like to see hard evidence of the reach of al qaeda but your never really going to see it in your lifetime, doesn't the fact that intelligence agencies from all around the world watching these guys alert you to how dangerous they are ?Well the last ten years has been evidence of this. We had 9/11 then what looks like some random acts of terror that really look like the acts of a few manipulated individuals. The only difference I have with you over this is I think they where manipulated by people in the US/UK government, you think it was al qaeda. I would like to see evidence to back up your claim about the reach of al qaeda. I don't know if you caught the news last night but they released video footage of the al qaeda Command Headquarters (I can upload the video if you want)
do you think that all this information on these guys is fabricated ? if so then then why is there so much intelligence gathering of these guys on a world wide stage and don't you think if other intelligence services looked into these guys and found nothing for themselves they would continue looking @ them ? you completely overlooking the fact that this is not just US/UK security services looking into these guys. its just the UK/US services that seem to be taking all the shit for it, what about bombings in spain etc ? do u not think the spanish have an interest in these people too ?
no offence m8 but i can hardly see the US and UK services manipulating people to bomb places like spain when there are huge business ties to consider...doesn't make sense m8, honestly.
the IRA got most of there arms and explosives from Libya apparently so yes your correct on that front but look what happened to libya when the were thought to have ties to terrorists especially after the lockerbie bombing, sanctions were put in place and they were completely cut off from most business ties in the western world. i dont know about u but if i were high up in the government in a country and i had seen what happened to the people in countries like libya and north korea with sanctions in place would u really want to put ur people through that to help "terrorists" in todays world ? fuck in north korea they use human excrement as fertiliserNo I'm not going to argue anything of the sort i would not expect a solder to be able to get them, but people with enough money can get them. Do you think the IRA got their explosive from solders. No they got them from governments and organisations that where sympathetic to their cause and still don't have a problem these days either.
while were on this subject i have a question for you...what do u consider irans stance on al qaeda to be ?
sympathetic ?
i have views on this and i,ll only say one thing, yes i do believe that if iran were to reach full nuclear capability they would sell some of the shit to al qaeda if it were bought with the intention on hitting the US
the IRA were man enough to give bomb warnings when the bombs were in place on the UK mainland, they only really wanted to target UK government and army, completely different story in ireland though...kill anything that moves especially in northern ireland. the IRA knew they were fucked when the americans got involved because they knew that if they didn't stop they would now be facing the same situation as al qaeda are in now... i don't really think u can compare the IRA and al qaeda as the same type of threat, i didnt hear of any IRA bombings in a foreign country other than the UK did u ? oh and the favoured explosive of the IRA is semtex and considering as far as explosives go thats pretty easy to get.Really! The IRA very rarely targeted planes most of their attacks where in public areas, shopping malls and city centres or just gunning down politicians or military personnel in the street.. The Real IRA even managed to purchase some explosives for some car bombs that actually detonated at the beginning of this year. Maybe they should let al qaeda know who their suppler is. So if targeting people at ground level is considered a cowardly act right across the world and doing it on our own soil opens up attention from Homeland security how do you explain the 7/7 Bombings or the Times Square (didn't detonate either) car bomb last year ?
As for the IRA most of them entered into the peace negotiations and the leaders became politicians and the hard-liners formed The Real IRA who are still managing to blow shit up
7/7 well it wasn't exactly another 9/11 was it ? ask yourself why ? u,ll never see the likes of another 9/11 in your lifetime because after it happened lessons were learned...fuck these guys would be carrying out 9/11's on a daily basis if they could get away with it... do u not think that by looking into the people who done the mi5 haven't gained knowledge of other radicals since then? just because the guy has radical views doesn't mean that u can pull him in and put him in jail...they have to catch them in the act first.Leave a comment:
-
Re: Bin Laden's Pictures to be released.
There is very little evidence to back anything up you posted above and the so called evidence there is we are not being allowed to see. You're saying no one really knows but your indicating the you believe is some super underground network of highly trained and funded assassins but we have seen no evidence of this. You should really check out The Power of Nightmares Part 3: "The Shadows in the Cave
Yes he mite have intended to detonate the supposed explosives but I'm saying I don't think the bast would have not been sufficient to actually do more than injure a few people. So the chemicals are hard to come by but it seems this hasn't stopped the on going suicide bombers in Israel or the Middle East
Well what exactly are these solders doing? What have they been trained for? Because I've seen nothing. We are told there are all these sleeper cells in the US but what are they doing. There hasn't been anything happened in the last ten years. If 30 of these cells rig up a car like the Washington Sniper and drove around locations taking pot shots at the public like the Washington Sniper. If you had that going on in 30 states there would be a serious amount of fear and chaos and it mite change my view. So tell me what do you think the best soldiers/planners have been doing.
Your feelings are one reality is something else. So they are highly funded and organised but can't come across bomb making chemicals. What about these guys
or even
Well the last ten years has been evidence of this. We had 9/11 then what looks like some random acts of terror that really look like the acts of a few manipulated individuals. The only difference I have with you over this is I think they where manipulated by people in the US/UK government, you think it was al qaeda. I would like to see evidence to back up your claim about the reach of al qaeda. I don't know if you caught the news last night but they released video footage of the al qaeda Command Headquarters (I can upload the video if you want)
No I'm not going to argue anything of the sort i would not expect a solder to be able to get them, but people with enough money can get them. Do you think the IRA got their explosive from solders. No they got them from governments and organisations that where sympathetic to their cause and still don't have a problem these days either.
Really! The IRA very rarely targeted planes most of their attacks where in public areas, shopping malls and city centres or just gunning down politicians or military personnel in the street.. The Real IRA even managed to purchase some explosives for some car bombs that actually detonated at the beginning of this year. Maybe they should let al qaeda know who their suppler is. So if targeting people at ground level is considered a cowardly act right across the world and doing it on our own soil opens up attention from Homeland security how do you explain the 7/7 Bombings or the Times Square (didn't detonate either) car bomb last year ?
As for the IRA most of them entered into the peace negotiations and the leaders became politicians and the hard-liners formed The Real IRA who are still managing to blow shit upLeave a comment:
-
Re: Bin Laden's Pictures to be released.
thats the thing m8 there is very little evidence to back up but i know from when i used to go into looking @ conspiracy theories i came across some stuff about how the military train some people do, one of those thing was to train people to imitate other people in both voice/accent imitation and also behavioural techniques...this shit is old school and i,m sure many people around the world now do this within certain places... my point was being that no 1 really knows just how far reaching al qaeda operatives are within certain military circles around the world and based on this i drew a conclusion that its possible that they have operatives within the services that do/train in this sort of techniques, one thing that kind of backs up my claim is soldiers being randomly shot in training camps in afghanistan by a so called "buddy"
one thing that makes me argue against this is the fact that the shoe bomber was holding a lighter to a "potentially" explosive material, this makes me think he actually did intend to blow up the plane... the thing about the bomb material is hard to explain but hear me out here, in the 90's governments put sanctions on a chemical that was vital to the production of MDMA so makers of the drug had to synthesis a new way of making it, u cant really go into ur local shop and say "i would like some chemicals that would when come into contact with each other they explode please" so they would of had to produce those chemicals themselves and this is why i dont think the bombs went off... the war on terror imo doesn't stop @ what u see on the news etc i think it goes further than that by governments putting sanctions on some of the chemicals used in explosives making it extremely hard for those chemicals to be purchased without the correct paperwork or authority.Personally I don't think this bomb was ever intended it go off. Both the pants bomber and the shoe bomber's devices failed to detonate. Both these men where suffering from degrees of mental illness. I think they where both manipulated into doing the acts they attempted. The devices failed to detonate you tell us "al qaeda extremely cunning and particularly snide, well funded and with exceptionally clever guys" but on 2 attempts they could not make an explosive that could detonate. For this to be true they are at best incompetent and maybe don't give a shit. So who benefited from the acts? I think all these 2 act did was sustain fear amongst the general public.
lol why use some of your best soldiers/planners in a simple suicide mission when these guys are extremely hard to come by ? sorry chunky but that doesn't make sense to me!I think if this was a genuine attack they would have used one of their super solders and not some bloke how had some health issues
already touch on that above m8 with regards to chemicals... and as for government involvement in these "attack" i,m sorry m8 but i think u already know my feelings on this oneI think if there is some network of terrorists they are a best incompetent and maybe don’t give a fuck.
The Printer Cartridge along with the so called Shoe Bomber and the Pants Bomber stories are even more bizarre. You would think this underground network would be able to make a bomb that was actually able to detonate. I think the bombs where never intended to go off. The where staged just so the government could sustain this idea that terror is still out there. If there hadn’t been these so called acts of terror. I think a lot of people would be asking a lot more questions about their governments.
considering about what i said about the "reach" of al qaeda being in places they shouldn't be this doesn't worry u in the slightest ? i would also like to see evidence of this.You only have to look into the history of the leader of the so called 7/7 bomber. He was picked up by the US Government then released because he was working for MI5. On the day of the bombings he left the UK. I think he manipulated these 4 people into carry out the attack and I’m not sure if they all knew what they where doing.
they only send 4 instead of 400 because of what i,ve talked on previously with the chemical thing... i believe personally that these chemicals are seriously hard to come by for the average joe and yes u,ll probably go back and argue about what i,ve said about them being in places where they are not supposed to and then probably argue about the fact that why do they not get them from there? well its kinda simple m8 even for a soldier to get those chemical from the stores in bases etc its really difficult, they don't just hand then out to anyone without a reason and going through the correct paper work and of course these stores are guarded to the highest standards all the way around the clock.Now the terrorists have moved from Martyrdom to parcel bombing we should expect more incidents and on a bigger scale. Why send 4 ink cartridges when you can send 400? Why post them from the other side of the world when you can post them internally. Why keep targeting planes when you can target trains, buses or shopping malls a lot easier? You only have to look at the terror campaign that the IRA used in the 70’s through to the 90’s. We had car bombs used on shopping malls, mortar attacks on airports, assassinations of police, the armed forces, prison guards and politicians. But these days all we see are bungled bombing attempts.
9/11 was probably the biggest act of terrorism ever, but how did the terrorist go from something that must have took a lot of planning to the pants bomber
targeting planes is a favourite past time of all terrorist organisation because it has such a huge shock effect because of public opinion on how secure our airports are, it makes them look sophisticated and dangerous because they are seen to availed those measures when a mission is successful. targeting people on a ground level is seen as a cowardly act right across the world which only aids in the fight against them and they do bomb places all the time abroad and shit in this way but u have to admit buy doing this on "our" soils it only opens them up to attention from homeland security, previous unseen "links" are uncovered leading them to other sources of people involved. its about numbers m8 if there are now say 10 terrorist cells operating in the uk now and the fight continues to gain popularity then in 10 years there numbers may double that amount thus making them a greater threat.
i,m glad u brought up the IRA actually, sure they did target people at ground levels but do u not consider the war on the IRA to have been successful? where are the IRA now?Leave a comment:
-
Re: Bin Laden's Pictures to be released.
Those two guys were just some idiots trying to kill people because they thought the US was the enemy. Sure they may have flown overseas to meet some dudes and talk about a way they can kill people, but trained like Navy Seals? No way. Shit the underwear dumbass picked the flight to Detroit because it was cheapest.
Honestly what has come out of this idiots? Just pissing more people off waiting in line at airports, being able to see some folks naked in a 3d scanner is all. Nothing much else, and we can see how well the 3d scanner thing has gone over...
Every idiot who does anything with a bomb I don't think should automatically be labeled as Al Quaeda, because it prob ain't so imo...but the media does like to sensationalize things like they always have. Lame.Leave a comment:
-
-
-
Re: Bin Laden's Pictures to be released.
This story broke originally on The Boston Times on the day of the event. What I find strange is it was not mentioned on one single news channel in the UK. The only way he could justify his claims would be to get some footage from the Airport in Amsterdam, however the US government have made no statement about his claim. However you have made the mistake RM has, he's saying its the CIA you're saying its Al Qaeda and there is very little evidence to suggest either.
Personally I don't think this bomb was ever intended it go off. Both the pants bomber and the shoe bomber's devices failed to detonate. Both these men where suffering from degrees of mental illness. I think they where both manipulated into doing the acts they attempted. The devices failed to detonate you tell us "al qaeda extremely cunning and particularly snide, well funded and with exceptionally clever guys" but on 2 attempts they could not make an explosive that could detonate. For this to be true they are at best incompetent and maybe don't give a shit. So who benefited from the acts? I think all these 2 act did was sustain fear amongst the general public.
I think if this was a genuine attack they would have used one of their super solders and not some bloke how had some health issues
I think if there is some network of terrorists they are a best incompetent and maybe don’t give a fuck.
The Printer Cartridge along with the so called Shoe Bomber and the Pants Bomber stories are even more bizarre. You would think this underground network would be able to make a bomb that was actually able to detonate. I think the bombs where never intended to go off. The where staged just so the government could sustain this idea that terror is still out there. If there hadn’t been these so called acts of terror. I think a lot of people would be asking a lot more questions about their governments.
You only have to look into the history of the leader of the so called 7/7 bomber. He was picked up by the US Government then released because he was working for MI5. On the day of the bombings he left the UK. I think he manipulated these 4 people into carry out the attack and I’m not sure if they all knew what they where doing.
Now the terrorists have moved from Martyrdom to parcel bombing we should expect more incidents and on a bigger scale. Why send 4 ink cartridges when you can send 400? Why post them from the other side of the world when you can post them internally. Why keep targeting planes when you can target trains, buses or shopping malls a lot easier? You only have to look at the terror campaign that the IRA used in the 70’s through to the 90’s. We had car bombs used on shopping malls, mortar attacks on airports, assassinations of police, the armed forces, prison guards and politicians. But these days all we see are bungled bombing attempts.
9/11 was probably the biggest act of terrorism ever, but how did the terrorist go from something that must have took a lot of planning to the pants bomberLeave a comment:
-
Re: Bin Laden's Pictures to be released.
....Leave a comment:
-
-
Re: Bin Laden's Pictures to be released.
I'm setting up a bot b/c it pisses you off so much. Let you know when its online.Leave a comment:
-
-
-
Re: Bin Laden's Pictures to be released.
[bullshit by me]reading this brought some further thoughts to me last night with regards to whether the ISI knew he was there or not, i think yes they did and although this might sound a bit daft i,ll try and explain myself...
ok although osama's location was said to have been known since august last year they didn't really act upon it for quite a while, there could of been a few reasons why this happened and in my mind i,m almost convinced that it was the ISI that found him, ok heres why[/bullshit by me]
a: its been said that navy seals had life like models of the compound they used to train for the mission!! now how would they have known what the building was like inside? its not as if they could just run up to the local architect and ask him for the building plans! they would not have been able to build a complete replica of the building from satalite images alone! so from that point of view its obvious thats there was some sort of watch put on the place to what ever degree.
b: when the mission was carried out the seals flew 2 helicopters ( although under radar ) and had a 38 minute gun battle 1000 yards from a huge military base...if u think about it surely the noise of both the helicopters and also the gunshots would of been noticed in the camp as i,m sure the sound would of travelled that far...so why didn't they gather a group of troops and go out to the location to see what was going on...surely an event of this kind is a serious security threat when its carried out so close to a military base ? and why did it take 30 minutes for the pakistani's to scramble jets ? and also how did the americans know that jets were scrambled after all there was supposedly only a group of seals and a 2 helicopter pilots in the area ? ( actually saying that now i,m sure there would of been other seals/cia operatives in the area )
[bullshit by me]c: the pakistani government is actually shitting itself for fear of backlash from al qaeda especially knowing that they were in fact part of the capture of their "glorious" leader... i,m sure if this was confirmed then you would see a shit load of attacks being carried out as revenge on the pakistani people? which kinda bring me to another reason i think this was all part of the plan and another reason why the attack wasn't carried out sooner than it was because the americans would of known this and put their spin doctors on the case to cook up some sort of get out for pakistan...imo i think this was all planned right from the start and this is why i think the ISI knew about this all the time[/bullshit by me]
d: the above story bring up another valid point about the legalities of the mission and i think this is another reason why it took so long was the fact that the americans had to go through the proper legal procedure when planning the missionLast edited by thebanned1; May 10, 2011, 04:24:23 PM. Reason: some random rambling ( probably like 90% of my posts in here )Leave a comment:
Leave a comment: