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[cowardly dj]

Re: miketpoto

^ No it doesnt. You still havent explained how that verse in Revelations is pertaining to instructions on how to worship God.

It means exactly what it says. We do not add to or take away from what scripture says or we are condemned. There is no other way to explain what is in its most simple terms.

What i meant to ask you by quoting acts was this: Have you sold your possesions and goods, and do you attend the temple? If not, are you still a christian?

we give on Sunday in the collection plate.

the temple is a building and it is where they attended. Today we attend in our buildings

[palmer]

Re: miketpoto

search button imo

[Hos]

Re: miketpoto

can someone post a link to the Creation thread?

spanks

[cowardly dj]

Re: miketpoto

The scriptures which you reffer to in Ephesians is taken out of context. Ephesians 5 is advice given by the Lord to the Saints and families. It does not talk about church services. The Bible also does not state that you shouldn't use instruments in religious services.

Ephesians 5:19 is instruction so I again refer to 2 Timothy 3:16 and add verse 17 to it

2Ti 3:16All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
2Ti 3:17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

for those of you who may see the word perfect here it does not mean perfect as in flawless, it comes from the greek word artios which means complete not flawless.

it is not taken out of context it is just a description of how they were told to sing hymns

The Bible also does not state that you shouldn't use instruments in religious services

I will try to explain what I said earlier

Eph 5:19 Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord

This verse is broken into 2 different directives. The first being "Speaking to yourselves in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs." This is what we are told to do when we are with each other and to each other.
The second half of the verse is different from the first and relates to what we do when we are with God. "singing and making melody in your hearst to the Lord." The greek word used here is ado which is a primary verb and means "to sing" Singing is acapella and musical instruments do not accompany it. "Making melody in your hearts to the Lord." is clear.

Melody is and agreeable succession of sounds; a succession so regulated asnd modulated as to please the ear. It differs from harmony inasmuch as melody is an agreeable successin of sounds by a single voice.

Webster defines melody as this - 1. pleasing sounds or an agreeable arrangement of such sounds 2. music (a) a succession of tones constituting, in combination, a whole (b) the chief part or voice in a composition; the air [<greek melos song + aoidos singer]


It is the air that comes from the mouth. It can not come from a musical instrument. You do not use an intrument in your heart. You use your "heart" as the highest act of worship. Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks. And in speaking we exhale air and all this adds up to acapella.

This is why we are told to
2Ti 2:15 Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
because if we do not study we can miss the point.

Just because the Bible does not specifically mention something as right or wrong does mean that it is not addressed. The Bible does not say in words that smoking pot is sinful but any person that calls themselves children of God will not refute that it is a sin.

[bart_smastard]

Re: miketpoto

Didn't Jesus say it would be easier to pass a camel through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven ( not religous so gimme some slack on the wording) but in comparison to the times of jesus arn't all of us in the west absolutely loaded .

You might lead a righteous life but ure gonna burn like the rest of us

[asdf_admin]

Re: miketpoto

herm. that is a good question.

[shosh]

Re: miketpoto

^ No it doesnt. You still havent explained how that verse in Revelations is pertaining to instructions on how to worship God.

What i meant to ask you by quoting acts was this: Have you sold your possesions and goods, and do you attend the temple? If not, are you still a christian?

[cowardly dj]

Re: miketpoto

Oh CDJ my dear friend, John is merely referring to the book of Revelations which he wrote and the prophecies contained in it. There is no referrence to the instructions given to worship God.

2 timothy 3:16 - All scripture is given by inspiration of God andn is proitable for doctrine for reproof for correction for instruction in righteousness

Now, you quote Acts 2:38 and jump directly to 47. You say that the only way to be called Christian is to repent, be baptized, and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Well, between those two verses there are others which say that you should attend services, assist in the breaking of bread, sell your possesions and goods, and attend the temple.

Lets start a bit earlier in Acts so we can get the context of what Peter is saying because to quote a scripture without knowing the context of what is being said is dangerous.

refer back to Acts 1:4 where Jesus tells the apostles
Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

Acts 2:1 -2:4 tells us of the event that Jesus was referring to in Acts 1:4

After the apostles were given the Holy Spirit they were speaking in tounges and different languages
Act 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Now verse 6 is important to anyone who thinks they can speak in tounges. If you have ever heard anyone who thinks they can speak oin tounges you will notice that it is garble and not a language at all. Lets see what the Bible says about the people who were given the gift of tounges
Act 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

verses 9-11 is a description of the pople who were there from other nations and is not as important to understanding what I am saying

verse 13 says some accused the apostles of being drunk

starting in verse 14-36 is where the "meat" of the context lies. It is where Peter stands up and starts to Preach to them and quotes the prophet Joel to explain to the people what is going on. If you have a Bible this would be a good read to help understand.

Now in verse 37 is where the change takes place to what the people who heard the preaching reaction was to Peter

Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

I have put into bold the question to Peter "what shall we do" and Peters response was

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

now verse 39 is where we wee it applies to us

Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

so to clarify what was meant by "all that are afar off" that is not in distance it is in the reference of time

Act 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand sous.

baptism is required to be saved and is expressly for the remission of sins as so stated

now lets look at the closing verses of the chapter

Act 2:42 And they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

this is just one of the many verses that tells us what to do in worshiping God. At this time Jesus had already ascended to Heaven Acts 1:2 Breaking bread refers to the comminion given to us by Jesus at the last supper. (Matthew 26:26-29)
It is important to see that "they continued steadfastly in the apostles' doctrine." Here it is clear that they did not change or adapt the doctrine to anything that man thinks is OK in worship or living as a child of God. There are also many other verses in other books that say this as well. Man is not to change the gospel to meet his desires.

Act 2:44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

more proof that they did not adapt the doctrine to their ideas of what it is

this leads us top verse 47 where we see that there is only one church sanctified by God (I will get back to this later)
Act 2:47 Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Does that clear things up any?

I will get to the other questions here after lunch. After all that typing I have worked up an appetite

[asdf_admin]

Re: miketpoto

haha.

[shosh]

Re: miketpoto

^ I agree with you there. I was just asking about your post. Cheers

[asdf_admin]

Re: miketpoto

Why?

i really do not have an answer and i really do not care. i was trying to pull some chains. i find it beautiful if someone lets Jesus, Allah, Buddha, Odin, etc into their hearts. My Lord does the judging, not me.

[picklemonkey]

Re: miketpoto

I think threads like this should live in Politics

[bart_smastard]

Re: miketpoto

I think threads like this should only recieve posts on Sundays

[shosh]

Re: miketpoto

Why?

[asdf_admin]

Re: miketpoto

My Church! You know the Roman Catholics. We are as is; the spin stops here.