Re: Pope insults Muslims
^^I believe he was talking about humanity in general.
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Re: Pope insults Muslims
but i do. maladay, and dont take this as an insult to ur beleifs, but ya need to grow pair and abandon the ideal of ''but it isntthem, this isnt the representation becuase there are good people" it quite indeed is a clear representation of the society, its views, and frnakly, unlike you, i beleive actions speak louder than words. and the actions occuring in africa, the middle east and stouh asia are disgusting and scary. look at todays declaration of holy war in somalia and ethiopia, look at sudan, iraq, etc.
the only reason peace exists on the saudi penninsula is because the moral police have a firm grip and the people cannot voice thier opinion.(imposed peace)Leave a comment:
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but why should that mean it prevades us....arent we better than that?....Leave a comment:
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^^I hear what you are saying. You are objecting to something that has pervaded history from the start.Leave a comment:
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as do i miro....your right about the saudi's...and im sure they will be other countries in which youll find this sort of oppression and what not....whatever the cause be though...to boil it down to islam is where my objection lies...to boil it down to the religion itself is wrong...there are muslims or people who call themselves muslims....and there is islam....two distinct things...
so yes while these so-called muslims pinch and pillage and cause all sorts of havoc...it is not islam which is at fault...it is them...and sometimes i find that the two bleed into each other for people here...it all just amalgamates and synthesizes into one all encompassing 'thing'...and thats what i object to and have been objecting to for the past few months....Leave a comment:
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I understand your point, and I agree that my statements can't cover all muslims across the board. I am pointing the finger at mainstream culture in middle eastern muslim societies.
To me, a society's culture is a function of the most commonly norms, rules, and accepted behaviors in that behaviors. It doesn't mean that EVERY single person accepts them all, but it does mean that these are the ones that are generally enforced - through community exclusion, government policies, even police force. Every society has this and it is expressed in the way most people behave, what they do, how they interpret religion in their lives, what the government says and does...and these cultural identities can change bit by bit over time. It can also be heavily influenced by a relatively small influential group that exerts power for an extended period of time.
I have no issue with different cultures around the world. My issue begins where a society's culture leads them to justification of abusing members of their own society. And if you don't believe that any middle eastern societies practice this, then why do the Saudis like to terrorize their own women into submission?
Granted, that event took place in 2002 - was just the first link I remembered - but there are numerous ones like it spread over many years.
I have an even bigger issue when the pervading culture begins to support more aggressive viewpoints on people outside of their own culture.Leave a comment:
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Guyz ...this whole thing is very interesting.
I do allot of reading in this forum, esp when it come to Islam and Muslims, however i do not reply coz it's waste of Time and argument ( btw, im Muslim)
All i can tell you lot who are not living in the ME ( where I'm currently based) you know jackshit about the real situation & its not your fault coz one day i was just the same as you.
One day we will discuss this face to face, just be ready for it
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he meant feundamental in the idea of it being the basic standard building block of a social and politcal system?
look up this guy.. he just had a rally in gaza where over 400,000 ppl attended.
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Re: Pope insults Muslims
are you really bill clinton
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be /bi; unstressed bi, bɪ/Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[bee; unstressed bee, bi]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciationverb and auxiliary verb, present singular 1st person am, 2nd are or (Archaic
) art, 3rd is, present plural are; past singular 1st person was, 2nd were or (Archaic) wast or wert, 3rd was, past plural were; present subjunctive be; past subjunctive singular 1st person were, 2nd were or (Archaic) wert, 3rd were; past subjunctive plural were; past participle been; present participle be‧ing.
–verb (used without object) 1.to exist or live: Shakespeare's “To be or not to be” is the ultimate question. 2.to take place; happen; occur: The wedding was last week. 3.to occupy a place or position: The book is on the table. 4.to continue or remain as before: Let things be. 5.to belong; attend; befall: May good fortune be with you. 6.(used as a copula to connect the subject with its predicate adjective, or predicate nominative, in order to describe, identify, or amplify the subject): Martha is tall. John is president. This is she. 7.(used as a copula to introduce or form interrogative or imperative sentences): Is that right? Be quiet! Don't be facetious. –auxiliary verb 8.(used with the present participle of another verb to form the progressive tense): I am waiting. 9.(used with the present participle or infinitive of the principal verb to indicate future action): She is visiting there next week. He is to see me today. 10.(used with the past participle of another verb to form the passive voice): The date was fixed. It must be done. 11.(used in archaic or literary constructions with some intransitive verbs to form the perfect tense): He is come. Agamemnon to the wars is gone.
[Origin: bef. 900; ME been, OE bēon (bēo- (akin to OFris, OHG bim, G bin, OS bium, biom (I) am, OE, OHG, OS būan, ON būa reside, L fuī (I) have been, Gk phy- grow, become, OIr boí (he) was, Skt bhávati (he) becomes, is, Lith búti to be, OCS byti, Pers būd was)) + -n inf. suffix. See am, is, are1, was, were]
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–verb 1.3rd pers. sing. pres. indic. of be. —Idiom 2.as is. as1 (def. 25).
[Origin: bef. 900; ME, OE; c. D is, ON es, er, G, Goth ist, L est, Gk estí, OCS jestĭ, Skt asti]
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Re: Pope insults Muslims
define fundamental...is it fundamental to the regime or political ideology..or fundamental to the religion....Leave a comment:
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Re: Pope insults Muslims
^^ So...let's just just to cut all the BS and take this opportunity to set the record straight...consider these two statements:
1. significant (but not complete) extremist religious influence in many Middle Eastern societies' regular norms and rules (i.e., Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Saudi Arabia) is a genuine current phenomenon.
yes or no?
2. assuming you agree to #1... this extremist religious influence harms basic human rights systematically. that is, it harms it necessarily due to its fundamental practices.
yes or no?
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