Pope insults Muslims

[Miroslav]

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ok...since you are apparently not just the "pseudo intellectual" sitting at a computer listening to John fucking Digweed like the rest of us, maybe you should better enlighten us as to the objective discussion you think we should be having.

So, if you could please answer the following:

1. What is the intent of radical Islamists violent acts in America, Europe, and Asia (think back to the Bali bombings, etc.)?

2. What do radical Islamists want from others in the world who don't share their views?

I look forward to your objective answers.

[malayday]

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no one is saying shit man.....read the whole page for a second...i would have hoped that you pseudo intelectuals would take pride in having an objective discussion or atleast one which is not so one ended...its just emotional reaction perpetuated by emotional reaction....and this dichotomy between 'them' and how they are a fucked up 'society' haha..common....is there really a need to dehuamanize and disassociate so badly...you would be surprised how much the u.s constitution and bill of rights coincides with quranic teachings...or islamic discourse...the difference is very superficial and i dont think this vilolece or whatever is because of some crusade to spread the religion....thats a mis understanding its motivated by a sense of pride coupled with alot of illetracy and iggnorance...and for most of them quite a bit of oppression and miserable poverty and hoplessness..
just because you live protected little life in front of your computer listning to tunes and going out listning to john fukin digweed every weekend doesnt give you the kind of perspective you need to talk sense in these forums...please...


oh wait that struck a note did it...was i talking about you? oh wait did i offend diggers?...pissed are ya..want to fuk me up and make me look ridiculous so you can go on thinking your right and muslims are the problem.... reflect brother(s)...reflect..

[thesightless]

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for the 4th year in a row. No.









waitasecond, are they overreacting again?

[FM]

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bottom line you can't say shit without SOMEONE being offended by it.

Ever notice though that when God is brought in vain, some Christians may denounce it but it's just a bit of hot air really, whereas as soon as Mohammed is cast in a negative light, some people go off the fucking deep end?

[thesightless]

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bro, im actually clapping after reading that one. honest and true.

[Miroslav]

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Here's my personal opinion. The muslims as a general community need to back the fuck off and get their own house in order before they go demanding any more apologies from anyone else.

I recognize that there are untold millions of muslims around the world who are decent, peace-loving people. But the facts of the matter are:

1. There is a significant portion of overall muslim society that is extremist and violent, and/or that supports these ideas. Extremism is so pervasive in many muslim-dominated regions of the world that it is difficult to separate it from local culture and politics.

2. The muslim nations and leaders are not doing SHIT about it.

I've had about enough of these islamic people who demand apologies from the rest of the world while at the same time remain silent (if not cheer) when members of their own communities commit atrocities against the rest of the world. Whatever the Pope says, I don't see him asking anyone to strap on a bomb and kill themselves and others in the name of Christianity. It would be nice to see these big islamic talking political heads show HALF as much indignation over the extremist members of their own societies who are actively taking steps to kill everyone who isn't a fundamentalist nutjob like them. When Ahmadinejad says that the holocaust never happened and that Israel needs to be obliterated, those same islamic blabbermouths don't say SHIT. I don't see them at all concerned with how Christians feel when they do their victory dances caught on CNN camera after terrorists have killed another batch of innocent people.

So, no offense, but until they address their own society, they can shut the hell up. Insofar as they take no action and don't even express any indignation against their own home-grown terrorists, they are complicit with them.

We shouldn't give them any apologies. And if they refuse to take any action against the extremist elements of their own society that threaten others, then the rest of the world should. Even if that means that we have to use force. The difference is that we'd be reacting in self defense and in the name of future peace, whereas the extremists are killing in the name of ruthless imposition of their intolerant religious beliefs on everybody.

[day_for_night]

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damn. now the vatican has stepped up security according to the BBC. they cant be that stupid could they? wow could you imagine........

your talking about a group of people who use religion as an excuse to stone a woman to death for numerous evil things, like having sex out of wedlock...

could they attack the vatican? wouldn't put it past 'em.

[Lorn]

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I don't want to even contemplate the idea.

[thesightless]

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damn. now the vatican has stepped up security according to the BBC. they cant be that stupid could they? wow could you imagine........

[thesightless]

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i saw that one too. but when mel gibson or pat robertson open thier traps, most of us either ignore them and let it go, or call them a moron and tell them to shut up. we dont run down to the local church or synagouge(sp) and riot, fight and burn shit.

tell me one normal person who thinks mel gibson's religous views are normal. he is a SICK actor though, but then again so is cruise.

[Lorn]

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here is one from another point of view...

This hypocrisy from the West is just ridiculous. When someone utters anti-Semitic remarks he is attacked from all corners by the West and all its media (remember poor old Mel Gibson)... BUT when we Muslims show our disapproval to an anti-Islamic comment, it is suddenly dubbed as an "overreaction"...... come-on people.... get out of this illusion that the West is a pack of saints.....

YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO CALL THIS AN OVERREACTION!!
Taimoor Mahmood, Singapore

[thesightless]

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my fav was

its time for the religion of peace to show it. throughout the geographical region it encompasses, we see only violence and no outrage

[Lorn]

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Some very interesting comments in that bbc post.

This one is good.

Anyone who takes the trouble to read the Pope's speech in its entirety - I have done so in both English and the German original - will notice firstly that the Pope was not actually discussing, let alone commenting on, Islam, and secondly that his intention was to comment - negatively - on Western secularism. That Western nations have wronged Muslims in the past I would willingly acknowledge, yet the reaction to this speech speaks of ignorance, even stupidity, and an apparent persecution complex
Alex, London

and this one

seems there are persons of the muslim community, including its leaders, that are too quick to judge .. or am i the one too quick to judge here?
if anyone gives comments while feeling angry .. that person should restrain himself first and then make the comment befitting a Muslim or a Christian - with understanding, wisdom and no judging.
Joe, Vevey

[thesightless]

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its fucked up. ppl cant quote someone that dies a few hundred years ago, but a certain governmental leader is encouraging ppl to make cartoons to trash the holocost. (but he says it didnt happen, catch 22 huh)

[Lorn]

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I think you are right about this not passing without more riots and what not.