God

[rubyraks]

Re: God

My initial post was that no one (at least from browsing quickly on this thread) has mentioned faith as being a factor in beleiving in a God.

Well I guess if that's your point, then I, for one, am entirely in agreement with you.

I don't believe that there's something out there, but that's because I lack the faith. I used to tell people my beliefs and religion (and actually so much more) would be so much easier if only I had the same faith that many others seem to have. I just can't take that step.

[BureOne]

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no, I guess if it's answered it's answered and theres logic to it. Science has obviously advanced since then (whatever that means). I by no means am one to proove that something is in fact a miracle, because you can't prove it.

My initial post was that no one (at least from browsing quickly on this thread) has mentioned faith as being a factor in beleiving in a God.

I dont think there is a straight answer to any of these questions, observations, suggestions etc.. If people beleive in "God" its because they most likely have faith. some probably have "experienced" what the call a personal touch of the hand of God" and what not and are probably the most loyal in preaching the word and existence of a "God".

imo, I beleive that there is something more.. call me naive gullible or whatever; I just beleive that there's something out there.. just like those who believe there is life in Mars or aliens out there I guess...hahah and those people are sometimes referred to as wackos!.. haha go figure.

[rubyraks]

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^How do you give that thought any historical reference then? Science thought the world was flat for quite a long time, does that make it a miracle when they discover it's actually round?

[BureOne]

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what's to be said?.. I dont know.. maybe that science can't answer what it can't explain?..

[rubyraks]

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I think something soo extreme as "unexplainable", like being cured from cancer, or aids (I dont think that's happened) but something so unimaginable that it bends the laws of science, physics what have you; can maybe be constituted as a "miracle",

so then every black hole that exists in science must be the hand of god? What's to be said for future scientific knowledge if you've already determined that what science can't explain today must be the hand of god?

something someone can explain and give a pretty good assumption why it happened the way it did; maybe some "proof" then that might not be considererd a miracle..

so you must prove it's not a miracle, when proof of an actual miracle, in terms of cause and effect, is itself lacking?

[BureOne]

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clouds are nothing but moisture. rain happens when the clouds become too saturated with moisture. clouds move because of wind. wind happens because air moves from high pressure locations to low pressure locations. gravity is caused from earth spinning on its axis. earth has daylight because it faces the sun. when we don't face the sun, it's dark just like the rest of the universe. none of it is a coincidence but instead is very explainable...

let's assume "God" created spiders and humans. how does that prove that Heaven exists? that there's life after death? that he's constantly causing fires, putting out fires, moving clouds, watering life, destroying lands with tornadoes, growing potatoes, rotting tomatoes, hiding rainbows, making rivers flow, providing light, curing cancers, taking life, creating life, and constantly watching/judging/punishing/curing/diagnosing each of 6 billion people all at the same time, 24 hours per day? I can't even keep track of 6 people at a time when playing The Sims but this guy is the explanation for everything?



"Hey, how exactly is a rainbow made? How exactly does the sun set? How exactly does the posi-trac rear end on a Plymouth work? It just does."

lol, your right pickle.. I mean it all just does. It all just works. For the past 31 years it has all worked out for me too.. sun rises and sets.. we have winter and fall, rivers flow, rivers freez

We each have our own beleifs.. its crazy to think "A God" keeps track and control of everything in this universe.. unimaginable.. It even says in the bible he knows how many strings of hair each of us have on our head.. I mean WTF!..

But weather you beleive or you dont.. we will all find out when we die. Maybe I'll be a hawk after and you a maggot, maybe we go to a heaven or a hell.. and maybe nothing will happen, just seize to exist.

Im sure he even knows how many licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie roll pop!

[picklemonkey]

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Had to add the dre quote in there, was feeling it at the moment...and by the way I will give you one example that you can think about....the spiders...who gave that small insect the ability to create huge amounts of thread to build their houses? not me not you, not itself...someone created it just like your heart pumping blood in perfect rythym beat by beat...delay could cause death,,the clouds being filled up with water and travelling hundredes of miles just to go pour them some where else to keep the balance and bring life to others??still no God??...study the mechanism of clouds and how complex the process is...the ozone layer,,,gravity,,,,how is it glowing light on earth while we live in a dark universe?? all a coincedence...or u can say nature but who is nature??

clouds are nothing but moisture. rain happens when the clouds become too saturated with moisture. clouds move because of wind. wind happens because air moves from high pressure locations to low pressure locations. gravity is caused from earth spinning on its axis. earth has daylight because it faces the sun. when we don't face the sun, it's dark just like the rest of the universe. none of it is a coincidence but instead is very explainable...

let's assume "God" created spiders and humans. how does that prove that Heaven exists? that there's life after death? that he's constantly causing fires, putting out fires, moving clouds, watering life, destroying lands with tornadoes, growing potatoes, rotting tomatoes, hiding rainbows, making rivers flow, providing light, curing cancers, taking life, creating life, and constantly watching/judging/punishing/curing/diagnosing each of 6 billion people all at the same time, 24 hours per day? I can't even keep track of 6 people at a time when playing The Sims but this guy is the explanation for everything?



"Hey, how exactly is a rainbow made? How exactly does the sun set? How exactly does the posi-trac rear end on a Plymouth work? It just does."

[BureOne]

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^so am I to understand that since you've convinced yourself to call cancer remission a "miracle", that all other terms of explanation (ie. coincidence, nature, etc.) are unacceptable?

unacceptable as a miracle (the forest fire example)... I dont think it would constitute of one imo; like you said, maybe a mear coincidence of good weather., but maybe to the person who's home was about to be charred... maybe its a miracle to them... this is indeed a tough one.

I think something soo extreme as "unexplainable", like being cured from cancer, or aids (I dont think that's happened) but something so unimaginable that it bends the laws of science, physics what have you; can maybe be constituted as a "miracle",

something someone can explain and give a pretty good assumption why it happened the way it did; maybe some "proof" then that might not be considererd a miracle..

[rainman]

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Had to add the dre quote in there, was feeling it at the moment...and by the way I will give you one example that you can think about....the spiders...who gave that small insect the ability to create huge amounts of thread to build their houses? not me not you, not itself...someone created it just like your heart pumping blood in perfect rythym beat by beat...delay could cause death,,the clouds being filled up with water and travelling hundredes of miles just to go pour them some where else to keep the balance and bring life to others??still no God??...study the mechanism of clouds and how complex the process is...the ozone layer,,,gravity,,,,how is it glowing light on earth while we live in a dark universe?? all a coincedence...or u can say nature but who is nature??

where is cowardly?

[djsethnichols]

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am i really expected to believe that i was created two-thousand years ago while science proves that humans have been around for far longer?

I'm not sure where you got this information from. But 2000 years ago is the supposed time of death of Jesus, not when humans were created.

Myself personally. I do believe in a 'God' that created all things, and still lives within all things 'living'. This comes from personal experiences and my own conclusions, not from a book or a building.
Though I don't see God as a person or being, but more of an entity like energy and water in our physical world. And beyond that a spiritual entity. I think God speaks to us through reactions to our actions (kind of like the karma idea). thus we have 'free will' and we learn the right of that will through those actions and reactions. We can see these reactions to ourselves or within ourselves or upon others.
I don't believe we need a book to tell us how to live, it's all written inside us, it's just a matter of living, questioning, and learning for yourself the path of least resistance and greatest happiness for yourself and those that surround you.
I don't believe Jesus is the only way, but one of many ways. Jesus was a great man that lived a life worth living after, but he's no more than a man like you and me. There are many great examples of 'Godly' people in our history and present.

[floridaorange]

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^I'd like to combine these threads for the freshies - lol http://www.mercuryserver.com/forums/...ad.php?t=19322

[trick12]

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don't forget the Dr. Dre quote at the end. I'm with pickles on this one, how can you use math, physics and rap lyrics to explain the difference of believing vs. not?

Had to add the dre quote in there, was feeling it at the moment...and by the way I will give you one example that you can think about....the spiders...who gave that small insect the ability to create huge amounts of thread to build their houses? not me not you, not itself...someone created it just like your heart pumping blood in perfect rythym beat by beat...delay could cause death,,the clouds being filled up with water and travelling hundredes of miles just to go pour them some where else to keep the balance and bring life to others??still no God??...study the mechanism of clouds and how complex the process is...the ozone layer,,,gravity,,,,how is it glowing light on earth while we live in a dark universe?? all a coincedence...or u can say nature but who is nature??

[Miroslav]

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^^^ lol <---- my best contribution to this thread to date

[floridaorange]

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i agree w. beach bum, now if I could just find what page in this book his post is on again...

[rubyraks]

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^so am I to understand that since you've convinced yourself to call cancer remission a "miracle", that all other terms of explanation (ie. coincidence, nature, etc.) are unacceptable?