support the troops

[DIDI]

Re: support the troops

I am sorry but This is a pile of shit.
There is no way to call it but that.
You and your friends are not fighting for me...
If I had a choice you would not be there. That is pure and outer bullshit,,,you are not fighting for my freedoms or my rights. Furthermore, I would never go to war even if there was conscription - I would just move somewhere like Switzerland.
These ideas of heroism (in my opinion) are something you and your fellow soldiers have been spoon fed to psych you guys up and make you feel all tingly inside.
I have nothing against you and I wish for you all the best i.e. to survive and come home (just as I wish for everyone fighting on both sides) so please don't serve me that crap about you doing your part or my part or whose ever part because in my eyes you and every other soldier on both sides are puppets on a string. Ever since the dawn of time nation states have been nothing more than figments of imagination...a way for the government to control people for the purpose of taxation and army.
Call me a hippie an anarchist or whatever you will but I do not feel allied to any nation whatsoever.

Furthermore when governments are completely open about the way they operate and they can show me a clear threat the Afghanistan poses to me and my way of life I will agree with all you said. Until then they can fuck right off.

p.s. as much as they want you to believe it, you are not fighting against the third reich

Great post!

[hambino21]

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Not question?? You are kidding aren't you. ? Unfortunately the statistics don't match your rhetoric. Your history has allowed you to get the best from the military , this doesn't apply across the board. Btw the crazy was your word I don't think the mention it in statistics.
The bolded bit is pure BS propaganda.

Once again I restate myself. everyone has a right to ask what a person does in the military, or what the miltary's reason for doing things are. I was saying for the third time....Why a person joined the military is personal decision. The reason I stated this is mentioned before in this thread, some person who seems to have the whole world figure out basicall said you have to be poor, stupid ,or crazy to join the military, and i stated what I stated to say that whatever the reason that person joined is a personal choice. I don't ask you why you haven't joined the military. I don't think you're a coward for doing so. Its your choice, and I don't give a shit. You pacifists are so quick to pick a fight its rediculous. Ironic even.
It also seems like you read the "propoganda" portion of what i said wrong also. I wasn't necessarilly saying that what has been done in Iraq or Afghanistan so far is directly proportional to you're ability to protest,disagree etc etc. the point I was making is that because these servicemembers volunteer for service, the average american can do these things they want to do without fearing a draft of some sort. thats what i said. Way to spin what I said to fit your agenda CNN

[hambino21]

Re: support the troops

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it Saudis that flew those planes into the buildings?

It was a mixture of nationalities, but who claimed it??? That would be Osama.

[hambino21]

Re: support the troops

Oh really?

Trying to wipe out the Taliban is Genocide.

Are you seriously a Taliban sympathizer????? Holy crap. They are not a raceof people. Well you can say what you're saying because you don't have religious extremists mandating everything you're doing, or cutting off your limbs or clits. You also aren't deprived the ability to think for yourself. If you had to live in this country under their rule for a week you would change your tune with the quickness. But as long as you're safe and sound in your free country, you can make statements like that.

[hambino21]

Re: support the troops

I am sorry but This is a pile of shit.
There is no way to call it but that.
You and your friends are not fighting for me...
If I had a choice you would not be there. That is pure and outer bullshit,,,you are not fighting for my freedoms or my rights. Furthermore, I would never go to war even if there was conscription - I would just move somewhere like Switzerland.

Really Switzerland huh? A country with an obligatory military service. hmm. you might have been better off in the states where the military is made up of VOLUNTEERS!

[DIDI]

Re: support the troops

Way to spin what I said to fit your agenda CNN

And right back at you !!

Err Osama is a Saudi! Isn't that what Dig72 said. ??

[chunky]

Re: support the troops

It was a mixture of nationalities, but who claimed it??? That would be Osama.

Where did you get the information that he claimed it. Because the only evidence I've seen is some very suspect video footage released in December 2001. Didn't the Afghans around that time say they would turn him over when some evidence was released. Also the American government said shortly after 9/11 that they would produce the evidence shortly. This also hasn't materialised. I mite be wrong on this so could some please point me in the direction of the evidence. I'm sorry if anyone finds this offensive but there's a lot of unanswered question's that the American Government should be able to answer easily but haven't. There is a serious lack of transparency

[hambino21]

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Where did you get the information that he claimed it. Because the only evidence I've seen is some very suspect video footage released in December 2001. Didn't the Afghans around that time say they would turn him over when some evidence was released. Also the American government said shortly after 9/11 that they would produce the evidence shortly. This also hasn't materialised. I mite be wrong on this so could some please point me in the direction of the evidence. I'm sorry if anyone finds this offensive but there's a lot of unanswered question's that the American Government should be able to answer easily but haven't. There is a serious lack of transparency

I agree with you man. There is a shitload I don't agree with that the American government has done, trust me. I am also not a supporter of Bush. I'll also admit that i don't have this proof on my thumbdrive that shows the video. Can you prove that the video was totally suspect?

[hambino21]

Re: support the troops

And right back at you !!

Err Osama is a Saudi! Isn't that what Dig72 said. ??

Yes your right. He was also kicked out of Saudi arabia and resided in Afghanistan using the Taliban as his Army. So whats your point?

[Shpira]

Re: support the troops

Your missing the point completely...
I am not a pacifist per se ... there ARE justified wars...I just don't necessarily believe that you or your fellow soldiers in Iraq are fighting one. If the government openly argued its case and allowed us to see all the information regarding 9/11 such as all the camera footage and was prepared to openly debate the issue of the saudi's Bin Laden family and its links to the Bush family etc. etc.

Basically if it was logically able to argue its case to justify invading Afghanistan and Iraq I would be all for it...
Instead they are all secretive saying that all questions harm national security and that they are unpatriotic and that ppl should support the troops...pretty silly IMO.
I might support the troops but I don't support the war...so where does that leave me? How do I go around getting that across?
I would much rather be accused of being a pacifist and not supporting the troops than being counted in as a supporter of the war.

And I didn't say that everyone has to be stupid or poor...I also said they can like killing and be good at it - I think that also justifies it - better go do it there than do it at home.
Other than that I still can't think of another reason for joining this particular war (Iraq and Afghanistan).

P.S. As for the Switzerland comment that was a joke, not because of conscription but for reasons of its historical "neutral" background, shown in actions such as buying Jewish gold from the Nazis pre and during WW2.

[Shpira]

Re: support the troops

Yes your right. He was also kicked out of Saudi arabia and resided in Afghanistan using the Taliban as his Army. So whats your point?

Really? You know all that for a fact did you two have a nice chat over a glass of port?
So where is now?? Whats he up to?

[hambino21]

Re: support the troops

Your missing the point completely...
I am not a pacifist per se ... there ARE justified wars...I just don't necessarily believe that you or your fellow soldiers in Iraq are fighting one. If the government openly argued its case and allowed us to see all the information regarding 9/11 such as all the camera footage and was prepared to openly debate the issue of the saudi's Bin Laden family and its links to the Bush family etc. etc.

Basically if it was logically able to argue its case to justify invading Afghanistan and Iraq I would be all for it...
Instead they are all secretive saying that all questions harm national security and that they are unpatriotic and that ppl should support the troops...pretty silly IMO.
I might support the troops but I don't support the war...so where does that leave me? How do I go around getting that across?
I would much rather be accused of being a pacifist and not supporting the troops than being counted in as a supporter of the war.

And I didn't say that everyone has to be stupid or poor...I also said they can like killing and be good at it - I think that also justifies it - better go do it there than do it at home.
Other than that I still can't think of another reason for joining this particular war (Iraq and Afghanistan).

P.S. As for the Switzerland comment that was a joke, not because of conscription but for reasons of its historical "neutral" background, shown in actions such as buying Jewish gold from the Nazis pre and during WW2.

Dude.....Understood. Like I said before I don't judge people and cal them cowards for not joining. I don't like war. I used to be a pot smoking party favor consuming raver. i know how to enjoy life, like anyone else. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I speak up because I shared some of the same ideas as you guys do until i actually saw for myself what we are doing for the peopl of Afghanistan. These people lived in Mine saturated areas with no food or water, fearing for their lives constantly. the coaliton, reagardless of motive, are helping these people greatly removing mines, drilling water wells, supplying medical aid, etc, etc. yes ther is always MOFOs doing shit for the wrong reasons but the majority are doing it for the right reasons.And yes i agree that our government is fucked up. i just do what i think is right and refuse to violate human rights. You're not wrong for not believing in these wars , but the ones who do believe in these wars aren't wrong either. its just how it is. You're not alone, most people support the troops and not the war. I just hope things get resolved soon. i don't like seeing caskets or dead children and torn apart families either.

[hambino21]

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Really? You know all that for a fact did you two have a nice chat over a glass of port?
So where is now?? Whats he up to?

Actually it was gin. Osama is diabetic, and port is way too sweet. He probably would have keeled over. Nice call though

[chunky]

Re: support the troops

Can you prove that the video was totally suspect?

When i watched the video it didn't look like him in any other video Ive ever seen. There where continuity problems to do with the length and colour of his beard. Also the shape of his nose. Like he had got a nose job and coloured his beard for the film. Then had it all reversed for the next film that was released. He looked looked one of them guys you get from an agency.

[davetlv]

Re: support the troops

Hambino21

You, and your colleagues, have my utmost respect for what you are doing.

Those voices here who are so blinded that they are unaware of real situation with regards to the battle between Islamic Fundamentalist rhetoric and the west, are the same voices who condemn the west for causing 9/11, Bali, Spain, 7/7 and over 12,000 other attacks by said fundamentalists.

When you and your colleagues put yourselves on the line, whether it be in building schools, clearing mines, staffing medical centres, please remember that there are many many people who, while we would prefer you didn't have to be there, are grateful to you for helping to bring hope back to communities that have been entirely subjugated by the theocratic doctrines of a small bunch of gun welding homicidal lunatics hiding behind the cloth of religion.

Much respect.

David