two attacks today........one bombing, one assault

[mixu]

Re: two attacks today........one bombing, one assault

Another thread hijacked by Rob's anti-Islam agenda and his selective memory...

[Yao]

Amen.

[robprunzit]

You know, it is hard to say the truth, and not get slammed. You don't have to like it, sometimes truthful things said are not nice and they hurt. But I am speaking the truth, and I am friends with muslim people. No problem with them really. One of my closest friends, from Libya, his family still there. I see this guy weekly. He is nominally religious, but very muslim. Not only does he explain life in the muslim culture, but I have seen it first hand. I have been in a muslim country, where people treated me great, and fed me at their table, and I slept in their bed while they took the couch.

I only say that to express that I actually care for these people and they are friends of mine. I even had an Iranian girlfriend for a while.

Am I Anti-Islam ... not really, I just wish people would speak the facts, because if they follow the teaching it leads them down the road we are all witnessing.
Am I Anti-Islamic people ... hell no!

The points I was making were truly about war, not so much Islam, though Islam leads 90% of the wars today. Thats why it comes up when I post on this topic. To discuss war in any way, and leave out the facts I raise about Islam is just plain ignorant and creates a false dicotomy which is misleading and is a flat out lie.

War sucks, its a part of life, get used to it, say thank you that you did not live 40 or more years ago, when war was actually worse. Though this terrorism could really be bad for the west if it isnt stopped.

If I were Islamic, and posted this thread from a computer in a state run Islamic law backed country, like Saudi, Iran, Pakistan, and many others, then I might be found in jail for breaking the law 'blasphemy against Allah', which the ultimate punishment is death, sometimes by hanging or worse, never nice. That lack of freedom is why most over there want to move away from their country, and be more western in thought.

Yeah, it sucks, and you only hate me because I have the guts to say it. It is true, though embarassing to most muslims, some will admit it and talk about it in private, like my friends do with me.

Sorry you can't stand to hear something which is 'poliitcally incorrect, and goes against the way you were taught to believe, ie, all is good on mother Earth. There are good things here, and some of those things are found in all parts of the world. Its a shame when some can't open their minds to the sad and sorry truth of certian aspects of life.

At least we can agree to like the music found on this wonderful website.

[robprunzit]

Btw, mixu, your avator is great, caught me off guard when her face moved.

I haven't found a good one yet. :cry:

[Yao]

The Amen was meant for your first post Rob, not to back Mixu up, although it's usually the other way round...

[mixu]

Rob...

I know you've got a lot of intelligent things to say ? but it really isn't necessary to bring the 'evils' of Islam into everything. People start wars. Period.

Yes, some of today's problems are due to Islamic fundamentalists ? as Cosmo said in another thread, a small minority of the Wahhabist sect ? but not all of the world's problems.

The Middle East only accounts for around a third of the world's 1.5 billion Muslim population (forgive me the accuracy of the figures) ? there are many secular Muslim countries where extremists may exist but are not a major problem.

I've been to Malaysia, Jordan, India, Uzbekistan, Turkey, Indonesia among others... Muslims are not violent aggressive people but as in any culture there are 'bad people'. The problem is with repressive states and the way they treat their people.

In the same breath, Iraq was a secular state and Saddam was the problem ? whether you agree with the war or not ? not Islam.

But as I said in a previous thread, if you're going to pick out Islam in history then you might as well pick out Christianity and the colonial powers among others. We live a relative life of luxury because the European powers colonised large parts of the world through force and North America and Europe became rich through the slave trade... I'm sure you don't need a history lesson.

Erm, had a few drinks... I didn't actually disagree with all of your thread though.

Anyway, two of my exes have come from Muslim families so it riles me. :?





BTW, do a Google search on 'animated gif' and you should find an avatar!

[Yao]

I think you're both right...

[mixu]

Re: two attacks today........one bombing, one assault

[thesightless]

Re: two attacks today........one bombing, one assault

history has also shown us that a lot of wars were waged on/or by christians and jews..... no one has been perfect. except buddists, well at least until they let richard gere peak for them.

[Yao]

Put that shit in a girlie thread next time please...this is a manly political thread.

[robprunzit]

Ok, your cracking me up now! Good post Mixu. And I hear you Yao!
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OK, I'm going to get heavy on you, so follow me please with this.

QUOTE: ''Christians are not only the most persecuted group in the world today, says the international human rights group Freedom House. Eleven countries now practice systematic persecution of Christians, says Nina Shea, author of "In the Lion's Den." They are China, Pakistan, Laos, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Egypt, Nigeria and Uzbekistan. These 11 nations -- and others that practice a more random brand of persecution -- are dominated by one of two belief systems, Communism or militant Islam.''
SEE: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14302
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One. Like I said, I dont have any problems with the Muslim people. As you know, great people exist in every society, and I know 'good' muslims do contribute greatly to this world, ... BUT if you do a scope of all the wars happening today, and check out what is happening in those wars, you will find an overwhelming majority of them are Islamic in nature, and the injustice is on the side of the attacking Muslims in those wars. Kosova is an exception, where I was very in favor of Clinton in our helping out the muslim native Albanians of Kosova, which later helped aide in the Serbs overthrowing Milosevic. Another human in great need of being removed from society, who actually is an Orthodox Christian. Though an interesting point to know, The Orthodox Christian Serbs have battled with the Muslim Albanians forever, and the Albanians were actually Christian as a people prior to the Turks beating them some 500 years ago. And they have had their fueds way before Albania became Islamic. So the Serbs were actually fighting for religious AND ethnic reasons, and also issues of land lines drawn after WW2.

EXCELLENT READ - SEE: http://www.religioustolerance.org/war_koso.htm
QUOTE: ''Unlike the rest of the former Yugoslavia, the Kosovo conflict has both ethnic and religious components. Before the recent exterminations and forced "ethnic cleansing," 90% of the population of Kosovo were ethnic Albanians. These are descendants of the ancient Illyrian tribes who occupied this area since before the Roman Empire. Their language is unrelated to all other languages in the area; they are now mainly Muslim.''

Short History - SEE: http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/ksvindx.htm
AND: http://www.historyguy.com/kosovar_serb_warfare.html
AND A LONG DETAILED/FULL OF LINKS ARTICLE: http://www.iridis.com/glivar/Kosovo_War
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Two. You have been to Indonesia, did you ever check out the slaughter of Christians happening there in the name of Govt backed Islam. I think it has settled down a bit there now, but in the 90's it was shocking how ruthless they were in their desire to rid certain islands of the christian people living there. I have seen pictures of these people holding signs of slogans and Bin Laden together.

SEE: http://www.rim.org/muslim/indonesia.htm

http://www.persecution.org/Countries/indonesia.html

http://www.jubileecampaign.co.uk/world/ind10.htm

http://www.martinrothonline.com/MRCC19.htm

MORE: google search> Indonesia war on christians


Its just a fact. Most people don't know it. The press rarely reports it. People as a whole don't care enough, because it doesn't affect them.
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Three. Sudan, is a perfect example relevant to today. Christian majority villages are ALL being starved, bombed, killed, GIRLS raped, and BOYS sold into slavery ... TODAY! By the govt backed Muslim aggressors. And the govt has forbidden anyone from the outside to enter the war zones. WHY IS THAT?

Quote from site: http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=14302
''Freedom House reports that Islamic Sudan has abducted or killed more than 1 million of its own people in a jihad against non-Muslims. Young Christian boys are held captive, forced to convert to Islam and then sold as slaves. There are even reports of crucifixions of Christians in Sudan.''

SEE: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/3900777.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/panorama/4007191.stm

MORE: Google search > sudan war on christians


Have you even heard about it? ONLY if you venture outside of the normal media to news organizations who will actually report more of the story than CNN or the NY Times.