What Diggers didn't say about Ableton.

[Lrn]

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yea i was there, that set was fucking off the hook

[gjg21]

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^ amen.

[feather]

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I don't think Digweed is a big fan of using effects so he won't jump on the bandwagon anytime soon.

[two-]

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Sasha didn`t lose anything.. i don`t know how he is playing when you see him, but las 2 times down here he was amazing and really dynamic.. at the point that the other djs sound boring because they let the full leght tracks without touching them.

[hansh20]

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for how long this "issue" still going to be an issue, as if it makes any difference if you play a track with ableton, vinyl, or cd. the only difference i can find here is the quality sound if theres any, nothing much from that. Come on guys, havent seen a single "lee burridge-play vinyl-post" even thow he have changed his unique sound lately. So the only thing i have to say about this issue is: a brand new technologic tool is allways a good chance to improve the old stuff, even if music doesnt get any old, give it a chance.

[simonr]

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For me Sasha has been hit & miss with @live (I was there the last time he played of vinyl/CD at Space, and Zabiela reckons its the best he's seen him play). Initially the signs were good, his 2005 EM was fantastic as was his set later that day/night at Fabric (his last appearance before he allegedly fell out with the club) and his May'05 set at Circus(Liverpool) - this was on a par with Buenos Aires set with Diggers, and things seemed to be holding up. However a set that summer at Godkitchen was embarassingly bad (I'd persuaded pople to travel down) and a complete waste of money - everyones allowed a stinker, but to these ears he started to become very hit & miss. The Avalon Cd was pretty good and Sasha played a lot of that with Hernan at Pacha July 2006, which seemed a return to form (for 2 hours before he couldn't keep it of the Hour 3) .. but his Warehouse set in Manchester December 2006 was drab (even though he probably played a lot of that stuff in London the following week to rave reviews). The problem for me is that the stuff he's playing on Ableton lacks punch or depth (those Zouk and Zu House sets simply don't stand up on comparison to any of his pre 2005 stuff). The shame is that (i) he always always had a good ear for a production, whether it be progressive, dark, trancey or just beautiful and (ii) Sasha now has the opportunity to cart around and feature the years worth of awesome material he's collected. Its not about looking backwards, you can take technology forward and embrace it while still maintaining the artistic integrity of the music. Maybe its like a great guitar player switching to guitar-synth - there's a compromise in touch and tone.

[unkownartist]

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For me Sasha has been hit & miss with @live (I was there the last time he played of vinyl/CD at Space, and Zabiela reckons its the best he's seen him play). Initially the signs were good, his 2005 EM was fantastic as was his set later that day/night at Fabric (his last appearance before he allegedly fell out with the club) and his May'05 set at Circus(Liverpool) - this was on a par with Buenos Aires set with Diggers, and things seemed to be holding up. However a set that summer at Godkitchen was embarassingly bad (I'd persuaded pople to travel down) and a complete waste of money - everyones allowed a stinker, but to these ears he started to become very hit & miss. The Avalon Cd was pretty good and Sasha played a lot of that with Hernan at Pacha July 2006, which seemed a return to form (for 2 hours before he couldn't keep it of the Hour 3) .. but his Warehouse set in Manchester December 2006 was drab (even though he probably played a lot of that stuff in London the following week to rave reviews). The problem for me is that the stuff he's playing on Ableton lacks punch or depth (those Zouk and Zu House sets simply don't stand up on comparison to any of his pre 2005 stuff). The shame is that (i) he always always had a good ear for a production, whether it be progressive, dark, trancey or just beautiful and (ii) Sasha now has the opportunity to cart around and feature the years worth of awesome material he's collected. Its not about looking backwards, you can take technology forward and embrace it while still maintaining the artistic integrity of the music. Maybe its like a great guitar player switching to guitar-synth - there's a compromise in touch and tone.

i agree with somethings u said on that, but u have to say that he is only human

[simonr]

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Thats a fair point red1 ... but he's a very talented one - unfortunately I can't remember the the last decent track Sasha played that made me want to race out and buy it (which for me, now sets the likes of Hernan, Digweed and Garcia ahead of the game) .. still - Mr Coe's very much entitled to change direction (as is Fortier - who I just don't dig that much these days either) . Ultimately people can vote with their feet (club-wise) or CD purchases (although I am looking forward to Fortier's artist album). Maybe I'm getting old fashioned and grumpy in my old age !

[unkownartist]

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my personal opinion on sasha @ the mo is that he seems to be struggling with this whole minimal thing thats going on, sasha's always been a fashionable dj but like everyone else sometimes u just cant get into a sound......

personally i,ve used/ messed about with ableton recently and although i dont have many songs to play around with i have found more drawbacks with ableton than i have good points in a way, i would hate to use it live, well i say that now but maybe in a few months i may be saying something different but what i,m trying to say is that sometimes u feel like ur job is great and other times u just cant be bothered or just cant find the encouragement to perform to ur best, like i said, he's only human m8, music is an amazing way of expressing mood

[feather]

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Human? No way, not the Man Like

Too many DJs are too caught up with technology these days and lose sight of the sound. My problem with DJs who fuck around with tracks on Ableton or effects or CDJs is that too often, the elements added live ontop of the tracks overshadow the tracks themselves. All you need is something at the right place to accentuate a track, not butcher it live. If a DJ wants to fuck around with a track, remix it. Don't give me an epileptic fit on the dancefloor.

[unkownartist]

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its all about choice and prefferencies

[jeffrey collins]

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Wow, you guys are being pretty hard on Diggers . I just recently purchased the A&H Zone 3D mixer (which works in conjunciton with @Live). I will say it's been a pain in the arse to set up.

Wow. let us know about how you dig it when you get it all set up...i think it's pretty cool that there is basically a xone 92 in there with controllers on either side.

[jeffrey collins]

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I don't think Digweed is a big fan of using effects so he won't jump on the bandwagon anytime soon.

i'm definitely with ya on that. The guy is simply a mixer and three cdj's. No need for effects.

Now me...I would love to get my hands on one of those EFX-1000's

[phil]

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i'm definitely with ya on that. The guy is simply a mixer and three cdj's. No need for effects.

Now me...I would love to get my hands on one of those EFX-1000's

He actually had the EFX-1000 running through the A&H Xone 92 on Friday @ Myth with 3 CDJ's. Though I didn't hear them being used more than maybe a handful of times.

[ShawnD64]

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i never understood the need to edit and add efx to tracks. producers spend hours pooring over every tiny detail of there tracks.... why fuck it up? and if it needs fixing, dont play it. like james holden said, i dont want to ruin someones masterpiece...