What Diggers didn't say about Ableton.

[Northern Exposed]

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This same argument was going on in the late 90s when CD-decks began to emerge on the DJ-scene. They are a commonplace now and the uproar about them is years gone. Ableton is the new CD-deck. In 2011, everyone will boot up their Ableton at home when they feel like mixing...it'll be a non-issue then. The only reason Ableton seems like a dog right now is because we're in the midst of another technological shift...nothing more.

[GregWhelan]

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^ mike - you're a little off the mark there mate, Digweed older Kiss shows were not selections from his live sets. He actually did used to break out a one hour mix every week (or do a few at a time). He told me this himself at a bedrock night back in about 2003

[thesightless]

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lmao, depth of knowledge thanks i guess.

but it comes from an interview on some computer MAC site i think. it was this 10 minute video interview about a year or two ago. the one where he said ""sometimes i jsut wanna tell ppl to sod off, but i just dont answer the phone."

i forget where the interview was hosted. but it had something to do with MACs or another apple product. someone will know.

[simonr]

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Sightless - I'm impressed with the depth of your knowledge and research: respect ! This also explains why Fortier classically filled in for 2-hours while Digweed was touring.

[thesightless]

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What I'm saying is there had to be some involvement of computers in the whole process somewhere. I mean if he was on tour and playing vinyl back then how did he get new stuff to play every week and have it perfectly mixed for the show? I'm not trying to bash the theories offered so far, but I'm just curious how it all was done

this i can answer.

when on tour or extended stays in america or asia, his AR guys would ship the shit out ahead of time to his hotels/friends. and he records his show early in the week so that they can edit in commercials. they usually have his sets by wednesday and they are then edited by the radio stations. from my little knowledge, outside of festival shows, the only show they ever did live (from a radio station studio) was the one they did here in Long Island a few years back on KTU.

[apollo_1444]

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that was fuckin' hilarious although sasha hasn't been going downhill since 2004 IMO.

[JK224]

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The first few Kiss shows you can tell are not live because some of the songs arent even mixed.

I know John is an excellent mixer but you could tell when he played a live show because you could hear the pitch bending at least a couple times throughout. The ones that weren't live were mixed to absolute perfection.

What I'm saying is there had to be some involvement of computers in the whole process somewhere. I mean if he was on tour and playing vinyl back then how did he get new stuff to play every week and have it perfectly mixed for the show? I'm not trying to bash the theories offered so far, but I'm just curious how it all was done.

[miketpoto]

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where'd you read that?? everything i've ever read says he mixed those shows especially for kiss. he played tunes on many shows that there is just no way he'd be playing live, period. and why would he do special releases of 'live' sets on the old kiss shows if he was doing that with every one of them??

I had the oppportunity to ask him myself... and he said it would be too much to go into the studio and record a show each week, so he records his sets in clubs and does the voiceovers afterwards. I'm sure that he did a few specifically for the show, but apparently that wasnt the norm...

[day_for_night]

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Digweed's KISS show used to be almost entirely comprised of sections of his live shows. He didn't mix them in the studio, he just did voiceovers with track names and such.

where'd you read that?? everything i've ever read says he mixed those shows especially for kiss. he played tunes on many shows that there is just no way he'd be playing live, period. and why would he do special releases of 'live' sets on the old kiss shows if he was doing that with every one of them??

[RiseandShine]

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I agree that quality results is the objective - but I like to know how things are done and helps me knowing what to expect. I'm open to any means to get something that I'll be enjoying more but some djs really get lost in their technological revolution mindsets

[Lrn]

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yea whatever, i like how jd keeps his mixing simple and i hope he doent gettin in to elaborate loops and samples...hes mixes are amazing as is.

[miketpoto]

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ill always enjoy solid track selection over some gay ass on the fly loop, but i guess thats just me..rember the show is called transitions, its not about the dj its about the tracks

Actually, the name transitions would suggest it's about the mixing.... wouldn't it?

Logic? Logic Party of 1, your table is ready!

[Lrn]

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ill always enjoy solid track selection over some gay ass on the fly loop, but i guess thats just me..rember the show is called transitions, its not about the dj its about the tracks

[Localizer]

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i never understood the need to edit and add efx to tracks. producers spend hours pooring over every tiny detail of there tracks.... why fuck it up? and if it needs fixing, dont play it. like james holden said, i dont want to ruin someones masterpiece...

That's like saying I shouldn't put mods on my car. But in the end, there's always a little something that can be done to enhance a piece. It allows for the listener to add their own interpretation of the tracks.

[miketpoto]

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digweed used to mix all the kiss shows every damned week. i remember sets that actually had minor mistakes (gasp!) in them. it was great...and i miss those days, but i can totally understand why he has gone that way with his shows and no one here can possibly justify looking down on him for it.

Digweed's KISS show used to be almost entirely comprised of sections of his live shows. He didn't mix them in the studio, he just did voiceovers with track names and such.