What Diggers didn't say about Ableton.

[day_for_night]

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Transitions has been shit for a while...sure there are some cool tracks but most of the time it sounds like nails on a chalkboard type shit. Hernan Cattaneo has done his show using Ableton for a while now and its maintained its level of greatness imo. And btw what did djs use to put together their radio shows before Ableton? How did Digweed do it back in 2001 for example?

digweed used to mix all the kiss shows every damned week. i remember sets that actually had minor mistakes (gasp!) in them. it was great...and i miss those days, but i can totally understand why he has gone that way with his shows and no one here can possibly justify looking down on him for it.

and just cause you don't like the new transitions, does NOT mean they're bad. they're fucking fantastic, in my opinion. digweed still really cares about the music, and it shows.

[Taylor Norris]

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I personally dont care what tools a DJ chooses to use as long as the sound quality is maintained and my feet are moving.

My biggest problem with all the new DJ technology is the steady decline in the quality of audio. DJ's playing 192's or worse sometimes.
For example: DJ Sneak played here just this past week. It was an all CD set filled with great tracks and excellent mixing but..... sounded like total shit. Heavily compressed Mp3's are not meant for the club and I want to piss on DJ's that cant at least play 320's.

Vinyl will always be king imo and Im not trying to start a vinyl/digtal debate. I understand that downloading music and carrying a CD case with thousands of tracks is infinately more convenient than lugging heavy and cumbersome vinyl around. I just wish DJ's would have the courtesy to at least stick to 320's.

I feel like a DJ has no respect for the people who pay his bills when they play shitty Mp3's. I may have traveled some distance and payed good money to get in the door and the DJ cant even stick to 320's.....

piss on em

[JK224]

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Transitions has been shit for a while...sure there are some cool tracks but most of the time it sounds like nails on a chalkboard type shit. Hernan Cattaneo has done his show using Ableton for a while now and its maintained its level of greatness imo. And btw what did djs use to put together their radio shows before Ableton? How did Digweed do it back in 2001 for example?

[jeffrey collins]

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i never understood the need to edit and add efx to tracks. producers spend hours pooring over every tiny detail of there tracks.... why fuck it up? and if it needs fixing, dont play it. like james holden said, i dont want to ruin someones masterpiece...

James might be a great producer, but he's not all that much of a philosopher. It's not destroying someones track simply by re-editing it on the fly...it's customizing it for that performance. I'd feel like i didn't give my crowd their moneys worth if I didn't give them what they weren't getting from other dj's. I happen to love looping a certain part of a track and then dropping the original back in.

James shouldn't be one to talk about "fucking up" other peoples tracks. If you weren't for doing that. Thank you should stay your ass away from remixing altogether. As Isn't that the basis of remixing anyway?

[SyntaxTerror]

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i never understood the need to edit and add efx to tracks. producers spend hours pooring over every tiny detail of there tracks.... why fuck it up? and if it needs fixing, dont play it. like james holden said, i dont want to ruin someones masterpiece...

Couldn't have said it better myself!

[Lrn]

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+1

[Bululu]

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^^^^^Very Very well said sir.

[ShawnD64]

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i never understood the need to edit and add efx to tracks. producers spend hours pooring over every tiny detail of there tracks.... why fuck it up? and if it needs fixing, dont play it. like james holden said, i dont want to ruin someones masterpiece...

[phil]

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i'm definitely with ya on that. The guy is simply a mixer and three cdj's. No need for effects.

Now me...I would love to get my hands on one of those EFX-1000's

He actually had the EFX-1000 running through the A&H Xone 92 on Friday @ Myth with 3 CDJ's. Though I didn't hear them being used more than maybe a handful of times.

[jeffrey collins]

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I don't think Digweed is a big fan of using effects so he won't jump on the bandwagon anytime soon.

i'm definitely with ya on that. The guy is simply a mixer and three cdj's. No need for effects.

Now me...I would love to get my hands on one of those EFX-1000's

[jeffrey collins]

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Wow, you guys are being pretty hard on Diggers . I just recently purchased the A&H Zone 3D mixer (which works in conjunciton with @Live). I will say it's been a pain in the arse to set up.

Wow. let us know about how you dig it when you get it all set up...i think it's pretty cool that there is basically a xone 92 in there with controllers on either side.

[unkownartist]

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its all about choice and prefferencies

[feather]

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Human? No way, not the Man Like

Too many DJs are too caught up with technology these days and lose sight of the sound. My problem with DJs who fuck around with tracks on Ableton or effects or CDJs is that too often, the elements added live ontop of the tracks overshadow the tracks themselves. All you need is something at the right place to accentuate a track, not butcher it live. If a DJ wants to fuck around with a track, remix it. Don't give me an epileptic fit on the dancefloor.

[unkownartist]

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my personal opinion on sasha @ the mo is that he seems to be struggling with this whole minimal thing thats going on, sasha's always been a fashionable dj but like everyone else sometimes u just cant get into a sound......

personally i,ve used/ messed about with ableton recently and although i dont have many songs to play around with i have found more drawbacks with ableton than i have good points in a way, i would hate to use it live, well i say that now but maybe in a few months i may be saying something different but what i,m trying to say is that sometimes u feel like ur job is great and other times u just cant be bothered or just cant find the encouragement to perform to ur best, like i said, he's only human m8, music is an amazing way of expressing mood

[simonr]

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Thats a fair point red1 ... but he's a very talented one - unfortunately I can't remember the the last decent track Sasha played that made me want to race out and buy it (which for me, now sets the likes of Hernan, Digweed and Garcia ahead of the game) .. still - Mr Coe's very much entitled to change direction (as is Fortier - who I just don't dig that much these days either) . Ultimately people can vote with their feet (club-wise) or CD purchases (although I am looking forward to Fortier's artist album). Maybe I'm getting old fashioned and grumpy in my old age !