What Diggers didn't say about Ableton.

[unkownartist]

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For me Sasha has been hit & miss with @live (I was there the last time he played of vinyl/CD at Space, and Zabiela reckons its the best he's seen him play). Initially the signs were good, his 2005 EM was fantastic as was his set later that day/night at Fabric (his last appearance before he allegedly fell out with the club) and his May'05 set at Circus(Liverpool) - this was on a par with Buenos Aires set with Diggers, and things seemed to be holding up. However a set that summer at Godkitchen was embarassingly bad (I'd persuaded pople to travel down) and a complete waste of money - everyones allowed a stinker, but to these ears he started to become very hit & miss. The Avalon Cd was pretty good and Sasha played a lot of that with Hernan at Pacha July 2006, which seemed a return to form (for 2 hours before he couldn't keep it of the Hour 3) .. but his Warehouse set in Manchester December 2006 was drab (even though he probably played a lot of that stuff in London the following week to rave reviews). The problem for me is that the stuff he's playing on Ableton lacks punch or depth (those Zouk and Zu House sets simply don't stand up on comparison to any of his pre 2005 stuff). The shame is that (i) he always always had a good ear for a production, whether it be progressive, dark, trancey or just beautiful and (ii) Sasha now has the opportunity to cart around and feature the years worth of awesome material he's collected. Its not about looking backwards, you can take technology forward and embrace it while still maintaining the artistic integrity of the music. Maybe its like a great guitar player switching to guitar-synth - there's a compromise in touch and tone.

i agree with somethings u said on that, but u have to say that he is only human

[simonr]

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For me Sasha has been hit & miss with @live (I was there the last time he played of vinyl/CD at Space, and Zabiela reckons its the best he's seen him play). Initially the signs were good, his 2005 EM was fantastic as was his set later that day/night at Fabric (his last appearance before he allegedly fell out with the club) and his May'05 set at Circus(Liverpool) - this was on a par with Buenos Aires set with Diggers, and things seemed to be holding up. However a set that summer at Godkitchen was embarassingly bad (I'd persuaded pople to travel down) and a complete waste of money - everyones allowed a stinker, but to these ears he started to become very hit & miss. The Avalon Cd was pretty good and Sasha played a lot of that with Hernan at Pacha July 2006, which seemed a return to form (for 2 hours before he couldn't keep it of the Hour 3) .. but his Warehouse set in Manchester December 2006 was drab (even though he probably played a lot of that stuff in London the following week to rave reviews). The problem for me is that the stuff he's playing on Ableton lacks punch or depth (those Zouk and Zu House sets simply don't stand up on comparison to any of his pre 2005 stuff). The shame is that (i) he always always had a good ear for a production, whether it be progressive, dark, trancey or just beautiful and (ii) Sasha now has the opportunity to cart around and feature the years worth of awesome material he's collected. Its not about looking backwards, you can take technology forward and embrace it while still maintaining the artistic integrity of the music. Maybe its like a great guitar player switching to guitar-synth - there's a compromise in touch and tone.

[hansh20]

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for how long this "issue" still going to be an issue, as if it makes any difference if you play a track with ableton, vinyl, or cd. the only difference i can find here is the quality sound if theres any, nothing much from that. Come on guys, havent seen a single "lee burridge-play vinyl-post" even thow he have changed his unique sound lately. So the only thing i have to say about this issue is: a brand new technologic tool is allways a good chance to improve the old stuff, even if music doesnt get any old, give it a chance.

[two-]

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Sasha didn`t lose anything.. i don`t know how he is playing when you see him, but las 2 times down here he was amazing and really dynamic.. at the point that the other djs sound boring because they let the full leght tracks without touching them.

[feather]

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I don't think Digweed is a big fan of using effects so he won't jump on the bandwagon anytime soon.

[gjg21]

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^ amen.

[Lrn]

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yea i was there, that set was fucking off the hook

[darkmark]

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All I have to say is Sasha destroyed SF the last time he was here in November. His set even eclipsed Digweed's last set here.

I was blown away with what he was doing with Ableton. MUUUUUUUCH better than any of Sasha's radio sets.

I hope JD starts using it.

[Bululu]

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I am with simonr on this one , I am not a DJ and I don't know how to use abelton , but since Sasha started using it he lost his special touch that he had before , hence he is not my favourite DJ anymore , I don't how to explain this but you could feel when he plays his music that its not him but a machine that doesn't instead, Call me crazy but thats how I feel . Hope Digger stays the same and keep it old school , my 0.003461 cents.

[Lrn]

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edit it down to make way for the really annoying Kiss100 Condom/safe-sex/drug awareness adds

you forgot to mention those fucking ads about driving slowing so you dont kill babys... what if i drive fast just so i can kill babys

[jfthom5]

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Wow, you guys are being pretty hard on Diggers . I just recently purchased the A&H Zone 3D mixer (which works in conjunciton with @Live). I will say it's been a pain in the arse to set up.

[supaz]

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I've always been puzzled on why Ableton vs. cdj's/vinyl is such an issue

[jeffrey collins]

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You don't HAVE to live with anything. Just unplug. Go listen to some old cd's you haven't listened to in a year or more.

So digweed is doing his radio mixes with ableton...big deal. He's doing his job, bringing new music to people who might not ever hear these songs anyway else...and yeah there are a lot of shit tracks on there. But theres a lot of good stuff on there too. Ya just gotta sift through it.

[Localizer]

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My comments are very tongue-in-cheek and playful: playing out live, Digger's been bang on the money the last 3 times I've caught him (Ibiza Pacha 05 & Space 06 plus Circus_Liverpool a couple of weeks back) - this has been reflected in the awesome 2 and a bit hours of his Space set (that I specifically flew for last year and had the priveledge to see), and the recent Mumbai set. For some reason the quality productions JD plays out live seldom (if ever) hit his weekly Transitions show - which is fine, IF the music that replaces them is great (remember - JD has more access to new productions that most of the planet). Last weeks 1st hour was pretty darned good (if you discount the 1st track - the Gerber and Slacker were corkers and formed the body of his recently raved about Plattenger mix), the 30-mins of his 2nd shared hour were, frankly, shabby. I'd been playing the Beirut Forum set when I read the Ableton interview and a few thoughts sprang into my head that I thought I'd share with the [ms] crew.

Because his shows are meant to showcase, not make you chairdance, hence why he's naming tracks during the show.

[simonr]

Re: What Diggers didn't say about Ableton.

My comments are very tongue-in-cheek and playful: playing out live, Digger's been bang on the money the last 3 times I've caught him (Ibiza Pacha 05 & Space 06 plus Circus_Liverpool a couple of weeks back) - this has been reflected in the awesome 2 and a bit hours of his Space set (that I specifically flew for last year and had the priveledge to see), and the recent Mumbai set. For some reason the quality productions JD plays out live seldom (if ever) hit his weekly Transitions show - which is fine, IF the music that replaces them is great (remember - JD has more access to new productions that most of the planet). Last weeks 1st hour was pretty darned good (if you discount the 1st track - the Gerber and Slacker were corkers and formed the body of his recently raved about Plattenger mix), the 30-mins of his 2nd shared hour were, frankly, shabby. I'd been playing the Beirut Forum set when I read the Ableton interview and a few thoughts sprang into my head that I thought I'd share with the [ms] crew.