100,000 civilians killed in Iraq?

[robprunzit]

runningman, it is good to know there is at one Canadian who can think logically,

asdf admin, I love your short to the point little tidbits of truth,

mylexicon and evangelion, you two make great points.

Thanks you all for taking the time to make the points you make.

Most of the world is not looking at this problem in the muslim countries for what it truly is. Ever since the religion started roughly 600 AD, they have forced people into following their way by the sword. North Africa was Christian before it was Islamic. Christian churches have been made into mosque all over the region including Turkey and other countries. My point, the Islamic clerics are doing as they have been mandated by the hadith (sp) and Qu'ran. That and the fact that if your muslim and speak against the leaders or religion, then someone will probably kill you. It is not a religion of peace, though they say it is.

With that being said, we have to take a stand and stop them. They were stopped before they took over Europe. Remember they made well into Southern Europe before they were turned back. Albania is a perfect example of a Christian country turned Muslim 500 years ago, and still technically muslim today.

People who think to sit back and do little are narrow minded. This will not end anytime soon. They were planning a jihad and were waiting for the right opportunity to die for Islam, and in turn be rewarded in heaven for dieing in a holy war. That is in simple terms why so many have come to Iraq to fight the 'Christian', and the Iraqi nationals who are the true heroes and freedom fighters for their country. Remember, new recruits line up every day to fight for change in Iraq. Knowing they will probally catch a fragment for a cowardly car bomber willing to kill the women and children to keep the suppression of their land.

Why are 100,000 dead, because backwards minded, strongly Islamic fundamentalist followers of their religion (which is hard for us to understand how this works together) are willing to 'smight the neck' (as the Qu'ran teaches) of anyone who stands in the way of keeping the religion and the land as it has been for the past 1500 or more years.

Someone said in this thread how 'sad' all this is, and the opinions expressed. True it is sad. But more sad it the lack of true understanding from people around the world at how Islam's goal is to dominate the world and control it in a governmental Islamic state. That has always been the goal, and it has never gone away. Only the plan changes.

Look at Europe today. Islam is the fastest growing religion, and in time they will dominate the whole region by sheer numbers. How? By family growth and immigration. Europeans are not having families as large as the Muslims, who on average have 5 kids per family. The growth of Islam is inevitable. A smart way to take over a land in my opinion.

Its a good debate. Keep yourself educated, don't believe the things you read in the NY Times quite so quickly and use your mind / logic , over the emotional / heartfelt fuzziness the way you wish the world would be. These news links may not always have the truth in them, check the sources. Do a better job than our American Liberalized Media did in the Dan Rather CBS news scandal of the Elections we just experienced here.

[runningman]

ya some of u guys (americans) don't grasp that your country is at war right now.. just because it isn't on your turf (which is a well executed war) doesn't mean it isn't going on as we speak..

[asdf_admin]

exactly. thank you balanc3.

[Balanc3]

it's a war, what are you getting at? Another endless debate.

[LobsterClan]

^^^ HUMAN 'DISASTER' LOOMS
IN ENCIRCLED FALLUJA

that's the title page for that site.

What are you arguing exactly? That there is no human disaster looming? Check the headlines of any major newspaper right now. Also please notice the article I quoted links to two separate NY times articles about that particular subject.

[asdf_admin]

^^^ HUMAN 'DISASTER' LOOMS
IN ENCIRCLED FALLUJA

that's the title page for that site.

... news today ... 1+1 = 2.

[LobsterClan]

You can't be serious. Inspectors are spies legally forced upon Saddam
by the U.N. Every inspector who has been looking around Iraq for the past
decade is a spy whether or not they were formally trained is irrelevant.

You people crack me up. You ask me to show you knowledge when all you
have to do to understand this situation is exercise a mixture of historical fact
and common sense. Stop being controlled by our sensationalistic media.

It's one thing to be an inspector for the UN, making sure certain weapons are not being produced-- it's entirely another subject when those inspectors are part of the CIA and are keeping track of Saddam's movements, as well as numerous other things they had no business doing.

http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0801-01.htm

[asdf_admin]

^^^ getting head is hard work. you do want to mess up your pants right before a televised broadcast.

[mylexicon]

Domestically Clinton was a pretty decent President..........because he
didn't do jack shit! Which is exactly what I expect the President to do.
I just want him to get the hell out of my way so I can pursue my
understanding of life, work, philanthropy, and family. Domestically,
Clinton wasn't bad.

As far as foreign policy is concerned he was pretty
much a joker. No offense to him, but in retrospect he was more hilarious
than Bush in some ways. Like bombing the Chinese embassy in
Bosnia Of all the embassies we we could have accidentally hit, we nail the
one that comes with the world's largest standing army. Sorry
China Mapquest forgot to do a monthly update. Another
great one was when he paid North Korea to sign a non-nuclear proliferation
pact. Then he paraded around Washington with it......and about a year
later we found out they never even pretended to stop enriching uranium. classic.
Or bombing Iraq for about 1 whole week for not complying
with the U.N. inspectors Yeah, that was a shimmering beacon of
American productivity. bahahahahaahahahaaha. I really am laughing
right now. God bless Bill Clinton for being smart enough not to run again,
being president of this country probably sucks balls.

[Yao]

Re: 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq?

Eh Civic, a little correction from my side needed then: I'm would rather fit into the 'agnostic' category than athe?st. Thought it was the same, my mistake. I don't believe there is nothing at all, but until I have proof, I'll just go with what I can see, hear, touch, lick and f*ck.

And it is this mingling of the US in middle-east politics and conflicts that gets all those guys worked up. There has always been the group of fundamentalist muslims that wants to see all heidens destroyed, but I don't think they were a factor of significance in the past. A common enemy makes for good recruiting: it is one of the oldest tricks in the political book.

I hear Runnin' saying 'they wanted to kill you long ago'...not until you showed your face in Afghanistan and Isreal that was my friend.
Runnin' man: try and make an effort to find out what Clinton did do right in politics, apart from getting himself a blowjob. Monica may a bit overweight, but she's still hotter than Hillary.
I don't know much about domestic politics in the US under Billy, but I do know he has done some good shit in the middle-east and Africa. I'll try to back this up later, so wait a minute before you go and try to flame me again on this

The Force be with you guys.

[ftc]

Re: 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq?

you've just proven to the entire board what kind of freakshow you are & subsequently saved us from further frustration.

[runningman]

exactly they have that right so people who do this shouldn't complain about how they get it.. killing people is bad.. i agree.. but to say what those soldiers are doing is wrong in iraq is completely false.. the real battle will be against the saudis in the future.. and please don't say oil.. well it will partially be about oil because we need it.. as for u yao.. you want Bush to be more like Clinton don't you.. let them bomb the USS Cole and bomb an embassy killing hundreds of americans and turn the other cheek.. or maybe get a blow job by some fat slob (Monica Lewinski) and then go bomb the shit out of Serbia to distract the nation on your blow job.. do u all see what harm clinton did to the american people.. and they love him. i don't understand.. he turned over a huge debt to Bush and then two planes fly into the world trade center and then fahrenheit 911 comes out blaming bush.. .. they wanted to kill us a long time ago.. it has nothing at all to do with Bush.. he is just trying to fix it.. as far as religion goes i don't care if your christian muslim black or blue. as long as you don't fuck up my shit i won't want to fuck up yours.. i don't look down on other religions.. but what i am saying about athiests is don't live in a country that is ruled by religion then.. Come to canada because it is starting to get stupid up here trying to make everybody happy.. there trying to get rid of halloween up here because muslims think it is scary and they don't understand what we are celebrating.. so you come up here and deal with this shit then.. you have this dream of utopia.. it doesn't exist on earth..and never will.. :cry:..i am not trying to make people in here mad or trying to get a reaction out of you guys but i feel very strongly on this.. i am trying to make you guys understand the real world we live in..i'm not racist i hate everyone the same..

[ftc]

why doesn't the UN do something about Africa then?? because the UN is weak and it isn't the USA's war.. its Africas.. Why does it always come to africa.. Iraq and Afghanistan are staging points for the fight against Osama and the Saudis.. you can't leave a guy like saddam in charge and hope he doesn't give osama ammuniution against the US.. the US is going to clear out the arab world whether we like it or not.. so i suggest we start picking sides because very soon it is goingto get very bad and none of you can deny that.. and i am with the US so whatever they feel they need to do to keep the US safe from random starbucks blowing up or people in NY getting thier heads cut off i am with them.. I still haven't heard anybody's plan to get rid of the terrorists.. and don't say some shit like get out of the arab nations.. the land of islam.. please.. history says islam does this.. and i will waste my time because i am christian.. we will see how you feel within the next 62 days sacredawe.. 9 out of 10 times when a osama video comes out there is an attack with in 60 days..hope its not in the sunny state of florida.. don't justify your reasoning because you are an athiest.. religion is here to prevent chaos on earth.. that's all.. you can't hide behind saying christians and muslims are stupid.. there are more of use then you.. and you live in our controlled environment (christian) USA.. that is why your country might fall inot civil war is because of people like you.. I feel i am more patriotic then you towards the US and i am canadian..

i don't know you but i pitty you and your racist ignorant comments. when i read opinions like these it makes me once again realize that people like you are among us, breathing the same air...

[asdf_admin]

you mean to lie ... ?

[Balanc3]

Dems think its a right they have under oath.