100,000 civilians killed in Iraq?

[asdf_admin]

true. but on the other hand it is a right people have.

[santo26]

Re: 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq?

The sad thing is that the peole just change of chanel, and close theyrs eye

[asdf_admin]

I think he has a right. There were many things I liked about Kerry and I think he tends to have a good voice in things. With trigger happy Bush ... we need some person with a power of check and balance.

I just can not stand it when Liberals go on a path that does not have any remote existence on this planet and make a valid attempt to cohere the public in believing a lie.

that get's my pipes steaming.

[Balanc3]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A35224-2004Nov8?language=printer

Kerry's gonna give the 'anti-war' president another shot in '08. Maybe he'll vote on the war a little more carefully, since he's still in the shadows. I'm sure he will only cause soldiers more blows, concidering he only wants to act as counter to Bush.

[asdf_admin]

Religion really works at a personal level. There are too many factors to consider it being a global monopoly of thought and devotion. Though in general, the main moral principles behind religion and faith are truly beautiful, but time in and time out, the name of God has been used to kill, murder, and crucify the innocent public for an internal act.

It is a free choice to believe in something beautiful and pure, but one can only see that if there is a ready heart and choice to believe.

There is no right or wrong. It is a life style that one must choose to fit, if not, there are many other substantial choices.

[Civic_Zen]

Re: 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq?

I still haven't heard anybody's plan to get rid of the terrorists.. and don't say some shit like get out of the arab nations.. the land of islam.. please.. history says islam does this.. and i will waste my time because i am christian..

I think the US should pull out of the Arab world: it's presence alone has divided it strongly and caused conflicts or worsened them. On the other hand, that could just be what they want: division is weakness. But this division only feeds anti-American sentiments, and therefore terrorism that emerges from that.

This is just wrong. We can't pull out of the Arab world, nothing would change if we did. Things would only get worse. Why should we leave the Israelies to fight it all by themselves any way? I completely disagree with this stance, however Runningman, you suprise me. For a Canadian you seem to have a decent grasp on things.

don't justify your reasoning because you are an athiest.. religion is here to prevent chaos on earth.. that's all.. you can't hide behind saying christians and muslims are stupid.. there are more of use then you.. and you live in our controlled environment (christian) USA.. that is why your country might fall inot civil war is because of people like you..

Am I getting this right? Religion is protection and athe?sts are the cause of all this shit? Are you totally deranged?
Last time I looked 9 out of 10 conflicts were over religious, ethnic or economical reasons. But mostly religious. I've never seen an athe?st bomb the shit out of religious people to convince them of his 'being right'. In fact, athe?sts will give you a more unbiased world-view than any religious person, because they don't discard other options or opinions beforehand.

Once again, you are wrong Yao. You are right about war being about religion, this is true. But what you said about athiests always being unbiased is completely wrong. Athiest's are the exact same as devout Christians. Basically, athiest's DON'T believe in a god, or even consider the possibility that one exists. This is a narrow minded view to have, just like Christians with their view that there is only one god and its on their side and blah blah blah. Both sides are wrong, because neither side can know for sure what the hell they are talking about. How can you be sure there is a god Christians? How can you be sure there is no god if your an athiest?? Its just like I always say, assuming there isn't a god is just as credulous as assuming there is one.

Agnostics on the other hand, is what I am. I would never be so naive to assume that there is no god. I just require proof. This goes both ways, so I will never blindly assume that there is a god either. Much less assume that only one race, or one religious peoples will enter into heaven.

Religion is one of the main sources of ignorance in the world today, and athiests belong right there with the devout christians as far as I'm concerned. Usually dismissing anything outright that has to do with Christianity or any other religion. Whereas the Christian may be wrong, its just as wrong to completely dismiss religion as a whole and its power over the human race.

[asdf_admin]

There is nothing worse in life to use the name of any God in a killing spree.

Sic, wrong, and no way resonable.

[Yao]

Re: 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq?

I still haven't heard anybody's plan to get rid of the terrorists.. and don't say some shit like get out of the arab nations.. the land of islam.. please.. history says islam does this.. and i will waste my time because i am christian..

I think the US should pull out of the Arab world: it's presence alone has divided it strongly and caused conflicts or worsened them. On the other hand, that could just be what they want: division is weakness.
But this division only feeds anti-American sentiments, and therefore terrorism that emerges from that.

don't justify your reasoning because you are an athiest.. religion is here to prevent chaos on earth.. that's all.. you can't hide behind saying christians and muslims are stupid.. there are more of use then you.. and you live in our controlled environment (christian) USA.. that is why your country might fall inot civil war is because of people like you..

Am I getting this right? Religion is protection and athe?sts are the cause of all this shit? Are you totally deranged?
Last time I looked 9 out of 10 conflicts were over religious, ethnic or economical reasons. But mostly religious. I've never seen an athe?st bomb the shit out of religious people to convince them of his 'being right'. In fact, athe?sts will give you a more unbiased world-view than any religious person, because they don't discard other options or opinions beforehand.

If you can't say anything that makes sense, then please don't post. All I've seen is you pulling open your big mouth and spewing nonsense so far. No argument/fact-based reasoning whatsoever.

It is people like you, with their tunnelvision that fuck up this planet big time.

Disrespect.

[asdf_admin]

You can't be serious. Inspectors are spies legally forced upon Saddam
by the U.N. Every inspector who has been looking around Iraq for the past
decade is a spy whether or not they were formally trained is irrelevant. Laughing

You people crack me up. You ask me to show you knowledge when all you
have to do to understand this situation is exercise a mixture of historical fact
and common sense. Stop being controlled by our sensationalistic media.

Lobie is know to make things up and even when proven wrong to continue ranting the un-truths of this world. It is a form of justification to make this world a better place through lies, propaganda, and ignorance.

Cheers Mate.

[runningman]

why doesn't the UN do something about Africa then?? because the UN is weak and it isn't the USA's war.. its Africas.. Why does it always come to africa.. Iraq and Afghanistan are staging points for the fight against Osama and the Saudis.. you can't leave a guy like saddam in charge and hope he doesn't give osama ammuniution against the US.. the US is going to clear out the arab world whether we like it or not.. so i suggest we start picking sides because very soon it is goingto get very bad and none of you can deny that.. and i am with the US so whatever they feel they need to do to keep the US safe from random starbucks blowing up or people in NY getting thier heads cut off i am with them.. I still haven't heard anybody's plan to get rid of the terrorists.. and don't say some shit like get out of the arab nations.. the land of islam.. please.. history says islam does this.. and i will waste my time because i am christian.. we will see how you feel within the next 62 days sacredawe.. 9 out of 10 times when a osama video comes out there is an attack with in 60 days..hope its not in the sunny state of florida.. don't justify your reasoning because you are an athiest.. religion is here to prevent chaos on earth.. that's all.. you can't hide behind saying christians and muslims are stupid.. there are more of use then you.. and you live in our controlled environment (christian) USA.. that is why your country might fall inot civil war is because of people like you.. I feel i am more patriotic then you towards the US and i am canadian..

[mylexicon]

The meat of the post was the fact that while the Senate voted to put sanctions on Iraq following the gassing of the Kurds, the White House esentially vetoed that position, and did nothing, leaving Saddam as he was:: our ally.

That's why i typed this in closing......to address your statements about the lack of sanctions.

BTW anybody wanna get some data on how many people were suffering
becuase of U.N. sanctions. Funny thing is, those sanctions never hurt Saddam.
At least this rumble in the desert did.

Us not putting sanctions on Iraq was not an act of conspiracy, but rather an
act of pragmatism and humanity.

As for the inspectors, you again seem to be grossly misinformed. Believe it or not, Saddam had pretty good reason to throw the inspectors out-- they were US spies! When US spies are brought in under the guise of UN inspectors-- I feel Saddam had a good reason to be pissed.

You can't be serious. Inspectors are spies legally forced upon Saddam
by the U.N. Every inspector who has been looking around Iraq for the past
decade is a spy whether or not they were formally trained is irrelevant.

You people crack me up. You ask me to show you knowledge when all you
have to do to understand this situation is exercise a mixture of historical fact
and common sense. Stop being controlled by our sensationalistic media.

[sacredawe78]

hey i'm no kid.. ^^ .. i just get very angry with people that make stupid coments.. i feel very strongly that they want to kill us.. this happens every couple hundred years.. the muslims grow and then the christians kill them.. nobody can get a long with the muslims.. look at china now.. so look at your real history.. let me ask you smart old people in here why haven't the major muslim clerics come out and told the muslim nation to turn over bin laden and his gang?? How can their religion support the taliban and woman are nothing?? Look at the pope and what he leads.. where everyone is equal.. muslim supported the taliban and saddam who killed his own people?? The pope would be more vocal if bush made all the woman in USA stay home and had no rights.. So be careful what you are against and what u support. What is your plan then gentleman??

christianity and islam are BOTH stupid religions responsible for millions of deaths...i wouldt waste your time trying to say one is better than the other

[ftc]

Re: 100,000 civilians killed in Iraq?

I remember feeling uncomfortable when bush held his first press conference after reelection. He said with almost in a sickening humourist way that with this re-election he has gained capital (political capital) and that he now intended to use it -- that it was his style. You think the bodycount up until now was bad, wait until the operations on felluja are in full effect! I can't find words to express my feelings for the suffering people of Iraq. A country that was once the milestone of great culture and civilization is now nothing but a target-practice range for war-driven governments.

This comeback, which is so commonly used, that thanks to the US, Saddam is removed and the world is a better place. Well, news flash ignoramuses, nobody apointed the US world police! We have an organization for international situations that has lost all its credibility and influence thanks to the US and its unilateral decissions.

My prayers are with the suffering innocent civilians. There is so much despair overlooking the future. Africa is a ticking bomb, believe me once the mideast is torn up and divided among powers the media will have no option than covering the grewsome story there...

humanity will surface only when we stop putting a price on freedom and liberty!

ps. I suggest to those of you lucky enough to have found your way to an openminded innovative board like [ms] and still can support what is going on, please take advantage of educating yourself among the majority who despise it.

[LobsterClan]

Lol. It's our fault becuase we SOLD Iraq military equipment. Lol that's weaker
than the connections the 9/11 commission found between Osama and Saddam. However, I do agree we are
partially responsible for Saddam's power and since we caused the problem
we are responsible for fixing it. We tried to fix it in GWI and Clinton pretended
like he cared when Iraq dodged U.N. inspectors.

BTW anybody wanna get some data on how many people were suffering
becuase of U.N. sanctions. Funny thing is, those sanctions never hurt Saddam.
At least this rumble in the desert did.

Damn brother, you seemed more knowledgeable than this. I did not ever claim that because we sold equipment we are responsible. I merely pointed out the fact that the gas dropped on the kurds were from helicopters purchased from us. The meat of the post was the fact that while the Senate voted to put sanctions on Iraq following the gassing of the Kurds, the White House esentially vetoed that position, and did nothing, leaving Saddam as he was:: our ally.

As for the inspectors, you again seem to be grossly misinformed. Believe it or not, Saddam had pretty good reason to throw the inspectors out-- they were US spies! When US spies are brought in under the guise of UN inspectors-- I feel Saddam had a good reason to be pissed.

[runningman]

hey i'm no kid.. ^^ .. i just get very angry with people that make stupid coments.. i feel very strongly that they want to kill us.. this happens every couple hundred years.. the muslims grow and then the christians kill them.. nobody can get a long with the muslims.. look at china now.. so look at your real history.. let me ask you smart old people in here why haven't the major muslim clerics come out and told the muslim nation to turn over bin laden and his gang?? How can their religion support the taliban and woman are nothing?? Look at the pope and what he leads.. where everyone is equal.. muslim supported the taliban and saddam who killed his own people?? The pope would be more vocal if bush made all the woman in USA stay home and had no rights.. So be careful what you are against and what u support. What is your plan then gentleman??